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Fallout Re: T90 in Syrian Army

The T-90/T-90A would belong to the Russians. already documented that they've been in a combat "support" role much like what happened in the Ukraine.

The following is from SIPRI/Time Frame 1990 - 2018:

"Transfers of major weapons: Deals with deliveries or orders made for 1990 to 2018
Note: The ‘No. delivered’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL .
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 09 February 2020


Supp/Recip (R) ordered No.Des WeaCrip. WeaOr. YearDev. Dev. Comments
Russia
R: Syria (10) T-90S Tank (2015) 2015 (10) Probably second-hand; possibly aid
(25) T-62 Tank 2016 2017 (25) Second-hand; probably aid; T-62M version
(10) BMP-1 IFV 2017 2017 (10) Second-hand; probably aid; BRM-1K version
(10) BPM-97 APC (2014) 2014 (10)"

So Syria has 10 T-90S tanks as of 31 Dec. 2019. I covered this extensively in the MBT Thread last year on my submissions. I also believe they are recovered into the Fastboat Patch Thread now.

There are ONLY 2 versions of the T-90 MBT available for export. They are AGAIN ONLY the T-90MS (Russian version now in service the T-90M.) and the T-90S (As modified for the customer, as those submissions showed.) (Russian version is the T-90A.)

The above search was limited to the "Armored Vehicle" section, obviously this is the only one needed.

Their methodology:
https://www.sipri.org/databases/arms...es-and-methods

Direct Quote from Sources section (As I tire of having to defend this source over the years.)

"4. Sources
The Arms Transfers Programme uses a wide variety of sources when collecting information for the database.

The one common criterion is that the sources are open; that is, published and available to the general public.

The sources include:
Newspapers and other periodicals

Monographs and annual reference works

Press releases, annual reports and other information published by arms producing companies

TV broadcasts

Blogs, discussion fora and other Internet publications

Defence white papers and similar policy documents

The United Nations Register of Conventional Arms (UN Register
National reports on arms exports and imports (UN items here and below are treaty driven. Mine)

Defence budget documents and parliamentary records

The most frequently used sources are commercial periodicals specializing in military issues such as Defense News and Jane's Defence Weekly (You to pay for these. Mine), newspapers and official governmental publications and the UN Register.

The SIPRI Arms Production Project web page provides links to many arms-producing company web sites.

Estimates
Sources often provide only partial information, and substantial disagreement between them is common. Order and delivery dates and the exact numbers (or even types) of weapons ordered and delivered, or the identity of suppliers or recipients, may not always be clear. Exercising judgement and making informed cautious estimates are therefore important elements in compiling the SIPRI Arms Transfers Database. If new information is published about transfers of major arms since 1950 this will be used to update the database. (I've seen this but rarely, usually it deals with delays or order changes. Mine)"

Those highlighted sections taken together and supplemented with the rest, are better then any of us will have access to as a whole.

But as most know I use this in times when web sources are limited on equipment or as a check I what data I've been able to find on my own.

Those people are a hell of a lot smarter then me (You're right, only marginally so! ) But I'm smart enough not to single source any submission but, I don't under value this source because , again, they have a lot more access then we do.

Governments help pay to keep these folks going. Also at times they seek "advise" from them as well.

It won't hurt to noise around the website as I have, you'll get a better understanding of why I use them at times to check my work i.e. x-country doesn't announce FOC, I can make a very educated guess on that based for the delivery dates SIPRI and using TRADOC's and others online sources to narrow the FOC down.

When this data is finally released, by said x-country which could be a year or more later, I've been fairly close generally.

My day off/burned things in the yard/smell like fire/smoke and CINCLANTHOME insists I take a shower before dinner (Just because she already did after she came in. ) so much for just "hanging out".

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