I think games not that big are really there for newish player like I am as I can't even handle the mid-late game well, but personally I do enjoy a messed 22 players game that, well, you could really LEARN FROM. All those latey weird ideas you know. So I vote for 22 in the first question and 15 for the second, while thinking that 9 or 10 could be a better option. (for some reasons I *HATE* the number 8.....ya know
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