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Fallout Re: Helo News game related.

Just finishing what I started yesterday in the transfer of "raw data" from the "patch thread" to the home threads. Q&A between Don and myself along with the pictures are again, as a reminder in the "Patch Thread". A perfect example here is, how about that RNZAF NH90 TH A109 helo add? Like I said you're getting it the way I presented it.


Helo News game...

I'm going to start this a little differently see APC Page 7 Post #69 for a moment, read it carefully please, then carry on. In hindsight maybe I should've polled the issue, the only response I got came from Suhiir on Post #70. But I'm taking my shot here based on the fact no one took the opportunity to "kill" the idea since I posted it, so here goes. This applies to the USMC AH-1Z, USA AH-64D BIII and Turkish T129 AKAK for now as they are new platforms. Multi-missioned and armed in one package as normally equipped configuration per the refs and pictures offered.

Here's comes the "rub" as discussed above. As this is a work in progress the "rub" is where I left off a day ago. I thought, I would find more to delete here but there's less. I have had to make some guesses here as the USMC AH-1 helos never got designated past I believe it was the AH-1T (Only one if I remember.) in the game. So I offer the following solution. The AH-1W came into service in 1985, I'm sorry but I didn't have time to track them all down and I had to check them all manually to find 1. Which were the latest AH-1W helos to establish the "bridge" to the AH-1Z? & 2. Were the AH-1Z helos entered based on the projected earlier delivery dates? I hope I did, here goes:

A1. ADD: USMC/AH-1Z VIPER/JUN 2011/C2/M 179 20mm AG w/750Rds, 8 AGM-114L LONGBOW HELLFIRE ATGW, 2 x 2.75 Laser Guided AFPKWS (LGA) 19 Shot Rocket Pods and (2 AIM-9 SIDEWINDER AAM dropping these as I now see more clearly the game limited weapons slot issue with the helos.)/ Picture below shows this configuration. Also the USA doesn't get the LGA as they dropped the program. The PDF Pocket Guide is a must here in the Protection and TSS sections in particular. Armor protection up to 23mm rounds in the rotor section and it keeps flying is substantial as an example. Recommend that TI/GSR 60, increase FC and survivability such as IR dampeners were greatly improved and armored engine surfaces (AH-1W as depicted by M3 has been modified to this standard as well.) as compared to UNITS 502 & 503 below.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/18440/
Bell announces that on Sep. 24, 2010 NAVAIR deems the AH-1Z operationally ready.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20163/
Approved for full rate production Nov. 28, 2010.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/20437/
As above from Bell.
http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.co.../bellAH-1Z.cfm
Overview and I highly recommended checking out the PDF Pocket Guide in upper left for more detailed info.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/supcobra/
Excellent info on the AH-1W and AH-1Z.
This needs addressing especially as these are tied into the TSS system above and with the AH-1W as well, just a recommendation anyway.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...d-phase-02193/
Deployed on AH-1W helos now. USA dropped the program the USN was smarter here to finish it, and who says we don't take care of the Marines!?! Well sometimes anyway!?!
http://www.deagel.com/news/APKWS-Gui...000007266.aspx
Production ready. Accuracy to within 0.75M vice I believe the unguided accuracy was between 5M to 10M.
http://www.defense-update.com/newsca...009042010.html
As above.
Posts: APC Thread Page 7; #69, Page 8; #70; #71 & 75. USMC Aircraft... thread (All threads page 3) Post #5. From this thread Page 1; Posts #1; #4; #7 &9.

Believe these to be the AH-1W and AH-1Z.

M1. MOD: USMC/AH-1/Use UNIT 502 to model the above A1. ADD AH-1Z VIPER.

D1. DELETE: USMC/AH-1/UNIT 503/ As noted above.

M2. MOD: USMC/AH-1/UNIT 501/AH-1 to AH-1W/End date from DEC 2005 to DEC 2010./

M3. MOD: USMC/AH-1/UNIT 500/AH-1 to AH-1W/JAN 2010 to DEC 2020 vice JAN 2000 to DEC 2005/This is the bridge unit to the AH-1Z as an improved AH-1W, REMEMBER as noted in the refs above most airframes are going to come from the AH-1W. These are improved above the levels as they exist in the game now and slightly "dumbed down" from the AH-1Z helos. Weapons same, TI/GSR 45-50, FC+, Protection etc. Though some improvements have started as noted not (all) will be included until these are sent to be finally fully refitted and RESET to the AH-1Z thus effectively ending the AH-1W series after 2020.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/supcobra/
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/19155/

AH-1W target system upgrade.
http://www.military-today.com/helico..._hueycobra.htm
http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Armor-Wea...001111006.aspx

Overview of the HELLFIRE "LONGBOW".
Pics:

A2. ADD: TURKEY/T129/JUN 2012/C2/Vulcan TM197B 20mm w/500Rds, 2 x 4 SPIKE ER ATGW, 2 x 2.75 Laser Guided CIRIT 19 Shot Rocket Pods/Based on the (is) Italian A129I Helo.
The A129 "MONGOOSE" has been in service since 1989 and is battle tested most recently in IRAQ. It was chosen over the SAAF (DENAL) AH-2A ROOIVALK in the final round of completion. Turkey had to reopen it's AH Helo competition over the long delays in the AH-1Z program. Turkey opted out of that program in 2004, which was the only export customer for the AH-1Z.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...updated-02397/
Full program background.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/agusta/
Same as above with more technical info.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/690/
Additional order.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/10114/
Maiden flight.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/7...s_eng.php?id=5
About Turkish CIRIT.
http://www.roketsan.com.tr/programs_eng.php?id=6
About Turkish ATGW LARAT.
http://www.military-today.com/helico...9_mangusta.htm First of its kind in Europe.
Pics:

D2. DELETE: TURKEY/AH-1Z/UNITS 484 - 487/
As noted above.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...raft/ah-1z.htm
Last section covers the above.

A3. ADD: USA/APACHE AH-64D BIII/JAN 2012/C2/30mm w/1.2KRds, 8 AGM-114L LONGBOW HELLFIRE ATGW & 2 x 2.75 AFPKWS 19 Shot Rocket Pods picture provided./ The Block III takes the APACHE certainly to and beyond the levels of the AH-X COMANCHE except in the area of stealth. The advances in electronics and bandwidth are far beyond what was achieved in the 6 - 8 years since the AH-X program was killed. The debate has already started (Some a handful of years ago.) as to which is better the AH-64D Block III or AH-1Z. I'd say it's too close to call. What I don't doubt is when they come on line, 1 will be #1 and the other #2 and #2 isn't so bad when you're on the same side.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/apache/
http://www.deagel.com/Combat-Helicop...000519004.aspx
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...t/ah-64d-3.htm
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...III-helicopter

Poor mans preview.
http://www.army.mil/-news/2010/10/25...ck-iii-apache/
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/19087/

Approves low rate production.
http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Armor-Wea...001111006.aspx
Overview of the HELLFIRE "LONGBOW".
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...461/#more-6461
Details some of the sensor issues I brought up above.

So now we say goodbye too:

D3. USA/AH-X (COMANCHE)/UNITS 274 - 276 & 916/
As noted above.

D4. ISRAEL/AH-X (COMANCHE)/UNIT 283./ As above.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircr...aircraft_id=49
http://air-attack.com/page/62/RAH-66-Comanche.html
http://www.military-today.com/helico...6_comanche.htm


A4. ADD: NEW ZEALAND/NH 90 TTH A109/JUN 2011/C3 P20/
With its roll on - roll off ramp it can also accommodate a single vehicle up to 2.5 tons. The TTH has "nap of the earth" flying ability. There is supposed to work done or being done to accommodate MG's for protection.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...0466/#more-466
Breakdown of the RNZAF NH-90 program.
http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/nh_90.htm

That's all of them and I'll work a little closer with Don on a timeline to minimize or better to spread this stuff out for the 2011 - 2012 campaign. My many thanks to all of you and Don especially for letting me get this info through up to the end when I did. This is for all the hard work that Don and Andy do and to all the rest that work hard on the OOB's out there. But it's all for naught without the players who make this worth while at least for me to do this in the first place speaking for myself at any rate.

Regards,
Pat
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