J-20 Status...
I was going to
end this post with the following, however, I feel it needs to
start this conversation instead of ending it. So just because it says a jet is
STEALTHY does not mean it's a
5th GEN or even a 4th GEN fighter. As I pointed out concerning the
IAF A-4 AYIT in my last Patch submission, the simple act of extending the engine exhaust nozzles to reduce it's heat signature by definition makes that plane
more stealthy, which again greatly reduced it's losses to IR missiles. Now here's where I'm at concerning the J-20 shofar and where it has lead me as well.
I'm not ready to provide numbers yet. I will concede that the Chinese
J-20 fighter is
better than an upper tier 3rd GEN fighter (As I thought she was when I first posted on this fighter years ago.) and I'm on the cusp of saying she's
a low to mid tier 4th GEN fighter.
I'm still
not convinced at this point and time that the
J-20 is a
5th GEN fighter. I have provided one of the refs I've looked at to this point. What immediately got my attention was the rear of the plane around the engines in the pictures. They are just screaming "you can shoot me down now", which would be the case as it flies past a SAM site or with a fighter on it's tail.
https://fightersweep.com/6230/analys...hinese-raptor/
The other issue is, the
J-20 might STRICKLY just be used as a deep penetration interceptor used to take down aircraft like the
P-8 POSIDEAN,
AWACS,
BOMBERS etc. etc. Though it should be able to fight it's way in and out.
Dogfighting for the
J-20 might be an issue to some degree though, it'll be armed with some very effective long and short range Air-to-Air missiles that could to a small degree negate some of those disadvantages.
Though China acquired some plans (Airframe design and some electronics.) of the
F-35, it is felt that the key electronics systems
haven't been compromised along with the stealth "paint" and other advanced design factors.
Any finally...
Oh I don't doubt I probably missed this in the game manual after three try's in my weary post work environment, so does...
EW for Jets/Planes, is
stealth factored into those numbers already, or is that rating based solely on it's electronics and defensive capabilities?
If stealth is factored in, at what % of the whole is used? By example EW 20.
What has become
VERY CLEAR is how good the
F-22 RAPTOR really is from my research so far.
Nothing comes close, the gaps and systems the following abstract talks about have been taken care of. The
IRST system and others have been added (Also the
F/A-18E/F SUPER HORNET will have it. IRST that is.) and I've posted on those improvements for years now to the point we
MIGHT need to have an improved version.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-NOTAM-300309-1.html
From the above...Is the
F-15SE better then we think in the game now? I personally have felt this version of the F-15 certainly was a low to mid level
4th GEN Fighter/Bomber and the only one fitting that description except for possibly the
Russian SU-35BM data posted after the excerpt. The embolden is mine.
"[3] Boeing
F-15SE ‘Silent Eagle’. This low-signature version of the F-15 Eagle was assessed during the compilation of this NOTAM. Its radar cross section, while claimed to be
comparable to the export configuration of the F-35 (This again goes to my long held point out here that we're not in the business of giving up our secrets. This is why I close to figuring out what the export version of the
AH-64E should look like.) from nose-on is likely to be substantially inferior from other aspects. Its infrared signature will be similar to the standard F-15 Eagle. Thus, the
PAK-FA using radar
will detect the
Silent Eagle at a range sufficient to launch BVR missiles
and at similar or greater ranges to the F-35 for infrared-based engagements. Flying wide sweeps and distributing sensor detections as is done for the legacy Sukhois will enhance radar detections and enable IRST ranging.
The advantage the F-15SE Silent Eagle has over the F-35 JSF is that it has the aerodynamic performance and fuel reserves to egress from a dangerous air combat engagement."
https://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-35/su-35.htm
So as you can see this issue with the
J-20 had
no option but to head into the above issues thus far noted.
Also following the
J-31 however it looks to have some of the same issues as the
J-20.
For comparison...
Regards,
Pat
