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Default Re: USA: Early M4 hulls with L40 gun?

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So which M4(mouthful) do you actually want then, what start date, and as I would not know a "cast hull" from a "welded hull" if it bit me, what armour scheme?.
Well... the idea was to copy unit #302/303 to give them the L40 (Weapon 47).

But...

Now that I'm looking into this some more, I'm kind of doubting whether there actually was a distinct L37 version of the M4's gun at all. The only reference I can find that mentions both the L37 and L/40 is in wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75_mm_Gun_M2/M3/M6

Which says: "Barrel length: 40(37.5) calibres (3 m)". The same page also refers to it as the "75mm/L40." I can't find any document that actually refers to the 75mm/L40 and 75mm/L37 (or 37.5) as distinct weapons. One might refer to the "75mm M3" (gun, not tank) as either the L37 or L40, but never refer to each as distinct weapons.

It looks like it might just be that some documents rounded up. In which case, the fix would be to replace all weapon #45's with weapon #47.

But I would like for someone who knows Shermans better than I to confirm...

I'm no expert, but I can tell you that British and US barrel lengths were measured from the mouth of the chamber to the barrel end (bore length), but continental nations, including the USSR, measured from the rear face of the breech, giving a longer measured length.

Therefore, the British and US would call it a L40, but if the Soviets bothered to do their own measurements they'd call it a L46, or there abouts.

Because of this, US and Brit guns get the 'short end of the stick' in almost all games that use barrel length calculations.


As for hulls.


I think there were 6 hull types:
  • Early Cast dry tiny hatches
  • Late Cast wet large hatches
  • Early Welded dry small hatches
  • Late Welded wet large hatches
  • Composite welded
  • HVSS Wider with wider tracks

3 nose types:
  • Three piece bolted flanges
  • Soft nose casting - rolls under smoothly
  • Sharp wedge shaped front

3 Turret Types:
  • Single hatch early short 75mm One hatch 2 lids
  • Two hatch later 75 or 105mm 1 large 1 small hatch
  • T23 last long 76mm 2 hatches large

British to US conversion:
  • Sherman I = M4
  • Sherman II = M4A1
  • Sherman III = M4A2
  • Sherman IV = M4A3
  • Sherman V = M4A4
  • Sherman IIAY + HVSS


Gun types/naming conventions:

No notation = 75mm
A = 76mm
B = 105mm
C = 17pdr
and so on so an Sherman IIIC was a M4A2 w/ 17 pound gun.

W = wet storage
E8 = (76)W HVSS
Jumbo = Thicker armour




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