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Default Netherlands OOB28 v.11 (2018)

Artillery

173 Krupp 150mm FH - its weapon is 120mm Krupp L12, and it should be changed to 150mm Krupp L17 in accordance with a name and photo (especially, that another 120mm howitzer is redundant, as we already have #174 120mm Bofors). Range was 8.7 km http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...-mm-and-150-mm (150mm guns have warhead 8, HE penetration 4, HE kill 21).
Icon should be single-trail - best seems 2116.

174 Bofors 120mm FH - icon should be changed to single-trail - best seems 2115.
It's worth to rename weapon "Bofors 12 cm" to "12cm Bofors L14" to give more information - or "120mm Bofors" in accordance with other guns.

Better unit names in accordance with other field guns in this OOB might be "150mm Krupp FH" and "120 mm Bofors FH" - or 15 cm and 12 cm, as these weapons were known.
BTW #39 75mm Field Gun and #41 105mm Howitzer were just known as 7 cm and 10 cm (7-veld and 10-veld - "veld" = field?)

39 75mm Field Gun - icon 2111 has too short barrel for L/30 field gun (http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...eld-gun-7-veld), and it's currently used by small 57mm gun in addition. Best seems 2112 or 8044.
Same for similar 278 KNIL 75mm How (which uses different icon).

41 105mm Howitzer - better icon for shielded 105mm gun seems 2125 (used for German 105mm gun)

288,289 57mm Mtn Gun, Inf Gun - it's worth to unify their icons - better of the two seems 2111, with narrower trail - or maybe yet better is smaller 2108 (gun's look: http://www.milweb.net/webvert/75660)
BTW: it was known just as 6 cm gun

299,300 84mm Mtn Gun, Inf-gun - icon should be changed to differentiate from 57mm gun - best seems 8017 (19th century design - plain narrow trail, no shield), or 2114 (gun's look http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...ld-gun-8-staal )
It was known just as 8 cm gun
However, according to that page it was rather used as howitzer in improvised units than infantry gun


Speaking of mountain guns (used by KNIL only):

288 57mm Mtn Gun
290 65mm Mtn Gun
299 84mm Mtn Gun
301 95mm Mtn Gun
- there's no info on https://www.quartermastersection.com...ies/artillery/ and quite complete article https://web.archive.org/web/20160304...artillery.html that the KNIL Army used any other mountain guns apart from #297 75mm Bofors - which were delivered already in 1924-25. According to the latter page, 12 guns were given to each Mountain Artillery Battalion, so there was no need of obsolete guns anymore (if they got to East Indies at all).
BTW: 297 75mm FG should be rather renamed Mtn gun.
There is no information on other guns in "Ad-hoc formations 1941-42" section either.
Only in "Mobile Artillery outside Java" section there is a mention of two obsolete 70 mm L/14(!) Mountain guns on Tarakan.

I guess there's no reason for mountain artillery units to be available only from 1937.

Weapon #32 75 mm Bofors has probably erroneous range 93 - Hogg's "Twentieth-century artillery" credits it with 9,300 m, https://www.quartermastersection.com...1264/75mmM1924 even 10,500 m (both values are hard to believe for L/22 gun, but do we have other sources?...)

303 70mm Mtn Gun - it duplicates #297 75mm FG and partially covers its period. Probably #297 should cease with fall of East Indies (the guns apparently were left there). But there would be a gap in formation 206 then.
Name of #303 unit should rather be 75mm Mtn gun, same for #304

Speaking of KNIL infantry guns:

It's a shared class with European units, but there are KNIL-marked units and formations:
291 KNIL 65mm IG
298 KNIL75mm IG (Bofors)
302 - KNIL 95mm IG


The quoted pages don't give any information, if KNIL used any infantry guns. I have no idea whether there existed old 65mm guns, but surely 75mm Bofors weren't used as infantry guns, because all went to mountain artillery (above). 95mm gun seems British weapon, and there's no information if they were sold in 1937.
Page https://web.archive.org/web/20160304...artillery.html may restrict itself to field and mountain artillery only (although I think they would have described also infantry guns, if they existed), but there is also a weak hint, that page https://www.quartermastersection.com/dutch-east-indies/ does not mention infantry guns.

Infantry guns are used in formations:
210 KNIL Field Guns - Available: 01/37-12/46
211 KNIL FG Bty - Available: 01/37-12/46
256 KNIL Militia Co - Available: 01/30-12/46
258 KNIL Reserve Co - Available: 06/40-12/46

As for the first two, name is wrong, because field guns were ordinary 75mm Krupp L/30 (#278 KNIL 75mm How), while 75mm Bofors were mountains guns, and eventual other infantry guns weren't field guns either.

First two formations are in fact redundant, because we have howitzer and mountain gun formations. I don't know if they should be replaced with something else in last two formations... But infantry guns were rather generally assigned to regiment size units (including 6-veld http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...try-gun-6-veld)...


AT guns

12 20mm AT-Gun - there's no confirmation of 20mm Madsen on http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...fantry-weapons, https://www.quartermastersection.com/dutch/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...f_World_War_II, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madsen_20_mm_cannon nor a book "Holland - Paraat!". The page http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...-mm-at-gun-pag doesn't mention any AT guns before 47mm one. Besides, ending date in 1938 - before the war - seems strange.

The earliest AT gun, before an advent of 47mm Bohler, should be copied #289 57mm Inf-Gun (confirmed on http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...try-gun-6-veld)

75 47mm AT-Gun
- standard icon of Bohler is 8029 (an icon of KNIL unit 263 might remain, for photos in link below suggest, that they were used with shields in East Indies)

262 37mm AT-Gun (unused) - according to https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theo...n-t23.html#p30, KNIL bought some not typical 37mm guns from the USA in early 1942, made by National Forge - and a small number were actually delivered before fall of Java. They were also used later by the Dutch in the West Indies.
Maybe a standard US M3 gun should be chosen as a performance pattern.