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Old September 1st, 2011, 08:49 PM

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Default Re: Endgame Diversity Mod - v1.2 released

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Originally Posted by kasnavada View Post
The main point in my opinion is that if you do not get a variety of paths, it has NOTHING to make it efficient as an SC with equivalent HP, or to help her survive any given situation, except glamour. It does not even get some resistance to an element. So, basically, you need a complete set of item to boost it to do whatever you'd do with another SC (even a cheaper one) for a lesser cost. Depending on what you're setting her to do, a thug with 20 gem worth of equipment might do better for a fraction of the "gemcost".
I find that even with just A2 for teleportation they are nasty enough and other paths are just a bonus, especially E which lets you get more reinvigoration, protection and opens up a very important spell - rain of stones (with a caster who won't suicide casting it). Fire resistance is easily obtained with the standard fire brand + dragon helmet, cold res can be done with rime hauberk when needed and air resistance cast. More importantly, you should always teleport onto an enemy you've seen, so you will know exactly what equipment you need for that particular situation. A thug with 20 gem cost would be better for simple raiding, but that is not the role for Asynja. I see her primarily as an anti-thug/SC and RoS caster. I am wondering what other SC do you have in mind that can do the same as Asynja and has lower cost.

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Originally Posted by rdonj View Post
Psycho - the main argument has been something like: they're too expensive for what they do, they are basically glorified raiders, other things can raid more cheaply, they're not tough enough to use as SCs, they can be mind hunted, and "I'd rather summon shishis." I think most of that conversation was on dom3mods anyway.
They are too expensive for raiders and shishis are indeed better in that role. Though, shishis should be nerfed as well IMO. They can be mind hunted, just as more expensive AQs or any other non-astral mages, I don't see how that is relevant. There are plenty of ways to protect from mind hunts or make them less effective, but this is not the place to elaborate on that. They are not tough enough to use as SCs? I beg to differ, they have high HPs and good attack/defense values, mistform and mirror image. What do people want of their SCs nowadays?

I am glad to see that some experienced players such as Executor, WL and rdonj agree with my qualifications about which EDM summons stand above others and should be toned down a bit.
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