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Default Chinese OOB21 v.2016

I've never touched Nationalist Chinese OOB before, but I've gathered some remarks on a HD for several years, so maybe at least some of them won't be wasted . I'm not going too deep, only a couple of things, easy to correct (or skip).

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2 T-26 M.33 - picture is M.39 (with sloped armour, not used by the Chinese).
(BTW, M.33 designation is redundant, since it was the only version used, and it wasn't tank's official designation.)
It's hard to find decent photos of Chinese ones (best are below).
http://www.abload.de/img/kjc2x.jpg
http://www.ww2incolor.com/chinese-fo...71035_002.html
http://blogs.c.yimg.jp/res/blog-94-3..._16?1281204517

From these interesting photos with M3A3: http://dlyakota.ru/61544-tanki-t-26-v-kitae.html it shows, that they survived until 1946 (now ends at 10/42)


3 M3A1 Stuart - should be renamed to M3A3 (pictured), and start later.
According to "Bolt Action: Empires in Flames: The Pacific and the Far East" https://books.google.pl/books?id=-4G...0china&f=false - China got 48 M3A3 in 1943. The same according to Polish article by T. Basarabowicz on Chinese armour (precisely he writes 10/43).
There's no information on any M3 delivered earlier (there are some rumours about M2A4, but no link to reliable source). Generally only M3A3 (and M5A1) are seen on Chinese photos.
Other photo: http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...inese_M3A3.jpg

9 M5A1 Stuart - basic wartime model seems M3A3 (pictured BTW). According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M3_Stuart , M5A1 were used after the war (no reference). I believe, that M3A3 should be available since 10/43, and M5A1 since some 1/45 or mid-44.
This one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PLAHuaihai.jpg seems already captured by the communists.


12 Scout Carrier - doesn't seem credible - it's available from 1934, whereas the British started to produce both carriers and Brens in 1938, and they rather weren't exported before the war (I couldn't find info about any later sale of carriers to China. Maybe in Burma something was given?..).

Same for 133 Bren Carrier (same class) and 802 (APC, will need change in formation)

17 PzKw Ia - there is a photo 16513, with prominent Chinese markings

66,310 M3A1 Scout Tank - photo is M3A3, and it likely should be one (used from 1943 then)

84 Frigate - it should rather be Cruiser (5.5in guns), with proper photo 9377.

182 AT-Rifle (Type 97) - photo is PzB, should be 459

183 AT-Rifle (PTRD) photo is PzB, should be 23151 (or 8843 or 21032 with non-Chinese soldiers)

184 RPG Team - photo is bazooka, should be RPG-6 grenade 351


266 Armrd Truck /MG - here is a photo of an armoured truck used in China. Although according to a description, it's American, but it could possibly be met there, and it's better, than existing French unarmoured Laffly with 25mm gun.
http://www.warwheels.net/ArmoredTruc...provINDEX.html

Maybe a better name would be just "Armoured Truck"? Cannon-armed ones were rather exceptions..

There at the bottom are interesting armoured cars, but I don't know for what use:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/33033...ed+Car+in+WWII
If you'd like to add such AC, there's a perfect icon 2717.

There could be also added Citroen-Kegresse armoured car, of unknown model, used by Wu-Pei-Hu warlord. I assume, that the armament was 37mm Puteaux gun. Polish unit 663 wz.28 AC could serve as a direct pattern. It should look similar to the French car on that page http://derela.republika.pl/wz28.htm - or a photo 29508 could be.


268 White Scout Car - according to T. Basarabowicz's article, they were given among the first US vehicles from 10/41 (now 1/43). Same in a table on this Russian page http://tankfront.ru/allies/china/history.html

273 BA-20 - picture is FAI (side cut-outs at a bottom), could be Soviet 27868.
(however there is an information in the net, that BA-20 were used by China, but without references, while Russian book by Maxim Kolomiets from Front Illustration series doesn't mention that they were used by China - he writes about Mongolia, Romania and other countries instead... It might be too vague to delete, but I'm just letting know. Same for BA-10 and BA-6.)

279 NC-27 - it seems doubtful. Maybe it's better to replace with ordinary FT, with longer Japanese gun, as is on a photo there http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...f=101&t=159782 (of Fengtian army)

283 L3/35 ATR - maybe a better photo is 16064 (Italian one w/Solothurn).
BTW: L3 were Italian Army designations, the Chinese would rather use CV-35 (same for 282,284)

285 T-26a - Russian sources don't mention, that China had twin-turret T-26 - only M.33 (I couldn't find such info in other places neither)

287, 300 VCL M1931/T-37 - name should be just VCL M1931 (it's not Soviet T-37). (I'd call it VCL M1931 Amph or something like that)
Armament should rather be Vickers, not DT.

288 Vickers 6-Ton - China didn't use twin-turret Vickers for sure

289 MHarrington 4TA - "Reportedly China also ordered a quantity; it is not probable that any of these were delivered." http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Ma...gton/tank.html
Also T. Basarabowicz and this Russian article http://tankfront.ru/allies/china/history.html say they weren't delivered.

295, 296, 298 M4A1, M4A3, M4A4 - Shermans were used only from late 43, along with M3A3. And M4A4 were surely used from beginning, while I couldn't find info about Chinese M4A1 (no photos with cast armour) and A3.
This one is clearly M4A4 (wheel spacing) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...A_-_196225.jpg

376 Type 97B Te-Ke - photo is MG-armed, gun-armed is 4019 or 3736

It's all about armour, I think.
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