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Fallout Re: Helo News game related.

Well I've been keeping an eye on this issue for quite sometime now. To be clear except for some the National Guard might (Older model OH-58 KIOWA A/C) have, the OH-58D KIOWA is the current version flown by both the USA and National Guard. Based on the following refs. The USA will officially retire them when the 1st Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment of the 82nd Airborne Division returns to Fort Bragg N.C. probably in June 2017 as these types of rotations are GENERALLY one year unaccompanied tours.
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/fort...korea-1.446206

They are currently involved in an exercise in South Korea which more then likely has been extended due to N. Koreas very recent ICBM missiles launches (Attempts).
https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific...korea-1.450886

So where does that leave us? Well the OH-58D for the USA again will be retired as noted above by JUNE 2017 at the latest I would suspect. The National Guard will continue to fly the OH-58D and receive some from the USA as well, this to meet their combat requirements, more on that below. Others will be put into storage and sold off to foreign countries as has already happened.

So Greece again as I noted with the F-16V could do worse as again the OH-58D KIOWA has seen some upgrades.

Ah but everyone is concerned about what's happening with the OH-58D, can the AH-64E GUARDIAN/or AH-64D LONGBOW handle the interim scouting mission (Yes the 64E especially.) yes they can and finally what will the future be? Well not to sound "all doom and gloom" it won't matter because game wise we'll never see it by 2025.

Why would I bring this up? Because nobody is talking about the OH-58F which became operational in 2013. The problem is the USA has them however not in enough numbers to cover the USA requirements to fulfill the mission, ergo back to the AH-64D/E to fill the gap. A quote from the first ref. below it. The "emboldening" is mine...

"In its FY 2015 Budget, the Army decided to retire all Kiowa Warrior A, C and D models. It is unknown whether it will also retire already upgraded OH-58F models." So far nothing is out there to say they are going to officially. If it stays that way the OH-58F upgrade was intended was intended to keep those "birds" relevant to 2025. From the data I can get I believe the USA has about 30 to maybe 40 of the OH-58F models before all funding was cut out in the FY 2015 (Oct. 2014 - Sep. 2015) Budget. Full rate production and conversion has been canceled beyond the above craft for the OH-58F.
http://www.fi-aeroweb.com/Defense/OH...a-Warrior.html
https://www.army.mil/article/102288/...rcraft_profile
http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/oh58f.htm
http://helihub.com/tag/oh-58f/


And note this is not the AVX proposed upgrade program which is totally a separate issue from the OH-58F upgrade.

More on the OH-58D...
https://thetacticalhermit.com/2016/0...opter-by-2017/
http://abc11.com/news/armys-kiowa-wa...ation/1293251/
http://www.janes.com/article/59599/u...raining-flight
http://www.militarytimes.com/picture...tion/83186360/
http://www.usar.army.mil/News/Displa...one-last-time/


And finally the UH-72A...
I'm going to keep this simple it's a game "non-starter", why? Well the last I checked we don't use helicopter ambulances in the game ICO the USA. Second the somewhat "militarized" model is used by the National Guard (NG) for Homeland Security Missions which is clearly spelled out by the manufacturers ref. below and the rest. Of the 385 "birds" allocated for already over 200 are destined for the NG. The USA is seeking to increase the final number to 415 which, I believe has been approved.
http://airbushelicoptersinc.com/prod...2a-product.asp
http://uh-72a.com/about/milestones.asp
http://www.military-today.com/helico...72a_lakota.htm
http://www.fi-aeroweb.com/Defense/UH-72-Lakota-LUH.html
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/uh-72a-lakota/
http://www.military.com/equipment/uh-72a-lakota
https://www.army.mil/article/137585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AT9Dy3ToAw


Lastly and sadly we recently lost a fine officer that some refer to as "The Father of Air Assault"...
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/reti...at-94-1.453672

To summarize... I haven't checked but, it should be obvious if the UH-72A LAKOTA is in the game then we can celebrate by having more slots available! Always a good thing. The OH-58D I still feel JUN 2016 is a very viable retirement date based on the above. And I suspect the OH-58F will end up being an add from around JAN 2014 - DEC 2025. I'm "splitting" the difference here on the start date, due to the dates I'm seeing on the web as noted by a couple of the refs. above as well. She'll see far w/TI/GSR 60.

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Well it's "hump day" so I'm off to bed so, a good night or morning to ya!!!

Regards,
Pat
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