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Old February 19th, 2012, 08:38 AM

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Default Re: Hungarian OOB 5.5

OK, here's rest

017 T-72M1V - in fact, it seems, that they have Russian designation T-72AV (http://mhrfweb.makett.org/MHRF/index...mid=11&lang=en )
From the end of 1996, Russia gave some 100 tanks T-72 to Hungary as a compensation of debts [source: nTW 9/96] - probably they were these tanks (in 1996 basic M1, without ERA, wouldn't be worth enough to take - AV wouldn't be a wonder anyway). A Hungarian page http://makettinfo.hu/index.php?jobb=...v+magyar&hash= seems to confirm it, although this language is incomprehensible, even for auto translators ;-)

Now it starts at 1/105 - if we make it available earlier, it should probably have some earlier gun type (I don't think, that the Russians gave old tanks with newest tandem Heat). Maybe it should be split in two units - current one with a current gun (I have no idea if they have new ammo in fact), and earlier one from around 10/96.

151 etc Su-22 - Su-22M3 should have laser RF.

174 122mm Section - since usage of 122mm D-30 is unconfirmed, better picture would be Gvozdika 11039 - but maybe it should be used since 1981, as #031 Gvozdika. Also a list in Jane's Armour and Artillery 2005-2006 doesn't mention D-30 in Hungary, only M.1938 howitzer (availability of which might be extended).

BTW: I have no info, if Gvozdikas were really withdrawn in 12/105, as unit 031 Gvozdika states.

176 152mm Section - correct pic of D-1 howitzer is 36139

179 122mm Section - nTW 4/99 doesn't list D-74 among Hugarian armament in 1999. I don't know, if they used them before.

217 PT-54 - proper picture is 29018 or 29024

220 T-72M KMT-5 - proper pic is 29252

221 T-72B1VH KMT-5 - it's not clear, why the Hungarians have mineclearing tank stronger, than MBTs. Probably B variant is a mistake.

As for all dozers and mineclearing tanks - is there a reason to provide them with - most probably fictitious - HE/HEAT only ammo loads?

235 ZIS/ZIL-485 6x6 - at that time it was only ZiL-485. besides, should be named BAV.

Correct picture is 29202 (now it's DUKW). Lift Capacity should be 125 (it had a rear ramp), speed was 65 km/h (22) an 10 km/h on water (3-4). It was produced until 1962 (now it starts at 1969 - I have no info, when it should start). Anyway, it's unlikely, that they survived longer, than end of 80s. (now: 120)

DShK was very rarely seen on these vehicles (I've seen only one photo of East German armed one)

238 PSzH-IV - as #66 (picture etc)


(I have to go now - there'll will be one more part)

Michal
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