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Old January 3rd, 2018, 08:21 PM

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Default Re: Czechoslovak OOB37 and Slovak OOB01

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There was one funny armoured car worth to add: PA-II Zelva (turtle) http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...A-II_Zelva.php (according to Kliment's book, a designation OA vz.23 was only a planned one).
Unit 050 OA vz 27 (PA-III) can serve as a direct pattern, an icon 3255 of Humber scout car would be almost ideal (albeit green), and there is even a photo 9316.
According to Charles K. Kliment, Vladimir Francev: "Czechoslovak armored fighting vehicles 1918-1948", it could develop a high speed 70 km/h on road. Drive type should be wheel only as well. Used from 1/30 until 1937, when they were sold to the police (there could be the second entry, for formation 103 Police Tank Pl).

Of course, no more than 2 of its 4 MGs could fire at one target.
To be precise, according to all sources it was armed with 7.92mm Maxim MG08 (vz.08) TMGs. Weapon could have the same specifications as #211 7.92mm vz24 TMG (or weapon 207 in Polish OOB 7.92wz.08/15TMG could be copied with changed name).

BTW: I've just noticed, that weapon 211 7.92mm vz24 TMG has possibly too much range 30, while TMG/CMGs of this caliber usually have 24. Same for Slovakia,

According to Czech article in HPM 10/1994, PA-II were withdrawn from the army by 10/36, then from 11/37 until 1939 used by the police.

One more thing: size 4 of 050 OA vz.27 (as well as PA-II) is too big - they were of similar same size as AEC AC, SdKfz-231 or ADGZ (BTW: unit 842 in German OOB Steyr ADGZ has size 2, which is definitely too small). Same for Slovak unit 050.

On the other hand, 051 OA vz 30 (size 3), in spite of its 6x4 drive, was a very compact car - 4.02m long and 2.02m high, which was similar or even less, than size 2 cars, like SdKfz-222, BA-20, FA-I or Polish wz.34.
The same for Slovak unit 51, Romanian unit 323, Hungarian unit 320.
(BTW, Romanian one should be AT/wheel like the rest.)

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It's worth to add some tracked artillery tractor. Since 1935 Czechoslovakia used some 200 of them, mostly medium Praga IV model. It could be copied from Slovak unit 155 Praga T-VI-R, with some generic name (although the photo represents a later model T-VI, not used by CS Army, but it could do).

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Slovak OOB:


002 LT-35 - icon should be 473, like Czechoslovak one - all sources agree, that they retained their pre-war camouflage.

007 LT-38 - according to Kliment/Francev, the tanks were finally delivered in German yellow (icon 4437) (first five were in pre-war camouflage, then new tanks were delivered in khaki, and finally yellow). Yellow icon would allow to differ from 011 LT-40 (which are said to be khaki only).

It's worth to add early LT-40 tanks with two MGs only, used from 11/40 until 12/41, also in combat (photo: http://utocnavozba.wz.cz/foto/Fotky_Praga/LT-40_01.jpg )

33 PzKw III N, 34 Marder III H - basic icons should be yellow 1039 and 3009, according to Kliment/Nakladal "Slovenska armada 1939-1945" and this color plate: https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/030...2022335672.jpg
All signs show, that this should apply also to 32 PzKw II, which surely weren't green (only Czechoslovak-delivered vehicles were). Yellow icon is 1434 (BTW: current desert icon is white).

78,81 37mm KPUV vz 37 - best icon is 8008, as stated before (now it's split-trail field gun).

90 76mm Field Gun (vz.30) - according to Kliment/Nakladal "Slovenska armada 1939-1945", the only light field guns used by Slovak army were 75mm vz.15 mountain guns (I've described it in CS section) - Slovakia had no modern vz.30 guns.

Same for unit 185, which additionally has Heat ammo (I don't know if it existed for old vz.15 mountain guns).


The same applies for 92 76mm Field Gun (Inf. gun).

(a small number of 75mm leIG-18 were also received from Germany in 1943).

91 100mm Howitzer (vz.30) - same remarks, as for Czechoslovakia - range 206 is too big (should be 201), best icon is 2170.

72 76mm Battery - the only 76mm guns used were on-map vz.15 (range 7 km)

174 149mm Battery - the same remarks as for Czechoslovakia. Slovakia didn't receive long-range 152mm guns (pictured), but had 149mm vz.25 howitzers instead.

There also could be added long-range 105mm gun vz.35, described earlier, used by Slovakia according to Kliment/Nakladal "Slovenska armada 1939-1945".

154 Steyr RSO - according to Polish article on RSO, Jentz's book on Pak 40 auf RSO and German Wikipedia https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raupenschlepper_Ost , max speed of the RSO was only 17 km/h (now 10)
Same for Polish LWP #55 RSO, German #154 RSO and Romanian #224.

155 Praga T-VI-R - only 25 km/h according to Czech book on artillery tractors (now speed 12).

175 220mm Battery - there were no 220mm artillery in CS army (as stated before), and Slovakia didn't receive other siege artillery.

From mid-42 Slovakia used also 105mm leFh18.

187 5cm PaK - no info in Kliment/Nakladal "Slovenska armada 1939-1945", that they were given by Germans (and there is quite detailed list) - only Pak 40.

I believe, that's all.