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Old February 6th, 2019, 02:54 AM
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Fallout Re: MBT's

Well let's see if I can finish the rest of the "Project". I have come to the conclusion as already mentioned that the M1A2 SEP/M1A2 SEP V1 are the same tank. The ABRAMS of itself is nothing more then what Win10 is and that's a baseline "product" with continuous updated versions of itself. In looking into the SEP the following other AMBRAM's were either running parallel with or during it's development such as TUSK, AIM and SEP V2 AND I believe there was a fourth one as well. Again the M1A2 SEP V2 will be the driver for how far I can go without going there all the way. I wish to give you Some of what I've been dealing with trying to straighten what's turned into an ABRAMS "MESS" through the fault of NO ONE OUT HERE!! At the end of this I'll discuss what my next action will be once the submission clock runs out on me or before. Also...
The following is taken from DID it might help clear up some wording I use out here...In referring to the extensive work going on with the BRADLEY...
"Unlike RESET programs, designed to replace all defective or worn parts and restore/service a vehicle back to pre-combat condition, remanufacture is a complete rebuild designed to return it to full “zero miles” condition, and install upgrades."

Now the nightmare wraps up I hope!?! With...

Welcome to my world over the past week now from DID under M1A2 SEP: Additional Background section, by way of example...

"The M1A2 SEP is a formidable upgrade package, but it was missing a small but crucial item. Troops in Iraq and elsewhere are also clamoring for a phone on the outside of the tank that will let them talk to the vehicle crew. This was common as far back as World War 2, and its lack is hampering coordination on the modern battlefield – especially in urban areas. A General Dynamics representative noted that future M1A2 Abrams TUSK (Tank Urban Survivability Kit) vehicles will have this feature, but the SEP v1 tanks did not. And continues right into the next para with...

M1A2 SEP Version 2 configuration, which is just beginning to appear, fixes this." And continues...

Now correct me if I'm wrong, the above para was talking about M1A2 SEP and ended in the same para with the M1A2 SEPv1 right!?! Anyway...

USA/CHANGE/RESET/M1A2 SEP/UNITS 316 & 647/CHANGE/M1A2 SEP MCRS/UNITS 653 & 654/ALL/START OCT 2008/END DEC 2025/TI/GSR 50 vice 40/FC 55 vice 50/STEEL HF 70 vice 65/HS 18 vice 12/HR 10 vice 9/HEAT TF 150 vice 147/TS 50 vice 48// Unlike the M1A1 FEP, the M1A2 SEP received a 3rd GEN armor upgrade this includes a D/U pkg. as well. I threaded the needle for FOC based on the conflicting data. However it should be noted it's NOT out of line based on what I posted concerning the M1A2 SEP V3 almost being 3 yrs. into it's OPEVAL as we speak. Also the last order placed for the SEP was in mid/late 2005. That being said, I leaned a little more on the following from DID (Last Ref.) entries AUG 29/08 and JUN 20/05. Overall the SEP program to date must viewed as incremental improvements in all areas. And I really like the picture, things should be seen doing things.

USA/DELETE/M1A2 SEP V1/UNITS 318 & 640/SAVE THE PICTURE WE HAVE LATE MODEL ABRAMS "FLOATING IN THE SKY" THAT CAN USE IT/For the reasons stated above and below within the Refs. I have seen Refs to indicate the M1A1 AIM being tagged with V1 and V2 attached to the name. Also M1A1 AIM were all REMANUFACTED tanks for the record.

USA/CHANGE/M1A2 SEP V2/M1A2 SEP 2-T/UNITS 517 & 537 RESPECTIVLY/FC 55 vice 50/BASED ON M1A2 SEP V3 FC 60/NOTE I MISSED UNIT 537 WHEN I SUBMITTED REVISED START FOR UNIT 517 (06/2020 I BELIEVE FROM POST 845) SHOULD MATCH// Again we see the progression more clearly now between the variants.
http://www.benning.army.mil/armor/eA...une1996web.pdf
(In 1996 the plan, pg. 11 and see Fig. 3 pg. 14.)
http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/...rmy/99m1a2.pdf
(In 2000 testing issues and failures experienced during and beyond 1999.)
http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/...amsM1A2SEP.pdf
https://asc.army.mil/docs/pubs/alt/2...est_200101.pdf
(2001 Another overview and analysis.)
(In 2002 testing continues with minor issues, progress being made.)
https://www.forecastinternational.co...DACH_RECNO=534
(2003 Commanders CITV. Cap. & Production Plan.)
https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/wsh/22.pdf
(2005 Conversion moves on it will be seen FOC not until Units in "PROGRAM STATUS" are fully equipped.)
https://www.gd.com/news/press-releas...oved-sep-reset
(2006 Last of M1 tanks to be upgraded to SEP expect 2009 final delivery to units for FOC.)
http://id3486.securedata.net/fprado/...ite/abrams.htm
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...updated-02834/

(After a 3rd/4th time or more, I've got a little more clarity on the date issue (Above 2 Refs in particular.) and I believe the M1A2 SEP V1 as noted under the M1A2 SEP V2 section. I'm starting to think what really happened here with most not reporting this version while a SMALL handful do is the program (M1A2 SEP V1) started and went straight into the M1A2 SEP V2 program. It is the only thing that makes sense here.)

I fear there is more work here however, Don unless you have issue with anything posted so far, I really would like to be done with the ABRAMS.

One of my Co-workers "KEN" was a Tank Commander of the M1A1 a year after they got fielded and fought in Iraq (Even had a picture of an Iraq soldier they captured.) he's retired Army and I had some questions for him. Anyway he told me when I once tried to get some info from Ft. Benning (Armor School) I went to the wrong base.
I will try to contact the "home" of Army Armor in Ft. Knox. As some have already seen, I've done this before successfully concerning armor w/Austria, Australia and Germany. France did let me down concerning the 105mm issue (And what fun that was for Don and I!?!) we had. Anyway this has been hanging on my PC for over two days now it's time to get it off of here, I don't remember what my screen saver looks like!?! and awe!

A final note did anyone notice a pattern with the Refs.? Just from what I posted was 12 yrs. for SEP to get into the field. Not bad when you consider ARJUN Mk I took over 30yrs. to get there! These things take time!

Good something to you all, it's been a long day and the "Red Man" is down again!

Regards,
Pat
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