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Old July 28th, 2018, 07:03 PM

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Default Re: Netherlands OOB28 v.11 (2018)

Armour

03-05 Vickers Mk VI, Honey, Stuart - I couldn't find info that the Dutch used any tanks in Great Britain (possibly for training, but there was only one infantry brigade created, and it used several armoured cars eventually). Anyway, if they are kept, maybe their formations should be marked as training ones? Sure they weren't used in fighting. Same for 193 Grant I

Unfortunately, it isn't entirely clear, what armoured vehicles were used by the Princess Irene Brigade. According to a mention in an article on Dutch armour in "Batailles et Blindes" no.43, it had AEC AC III (unit 43), Staghounds (unit 47), Dingo (unit 139) and Humber LRC III (it should be added). There is even a color profile of Staghound (may be postwar?..). The Brigade landed in Normandy on 6 August 1944, so it may be assumed, that it would have received its armoured cars some time earlier (now they start from 9/44, as well as #10 Staghound AA).

However, there is a detailed composition http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/la...hbelgorbat.pdf (apparently for wargaming), in which there is only Reconnaissance Squadron (MANEUVER ELEMENT DB01) with Dingos, Carriers, and single Humber LRC - with no real armoured cars... Similar composition is here (page 48) https://jdglasco.files.wordpress.com...garden-web.pdf
There are also no other decals on this sheet http://www.tracks-n-troops.eu/shop/i...qipar015uj44s0.

Loyd tractor could be added (confirmed on photos)

BTW: 43 AEC Mk.III lacks a formation, but its presence is doubtful..

54 Pnsrwgn M38 Com - photo of M38 should be 1073 (30055 is M36)

135-138 Humber Mk I-IV - Humbers might have been used for training, but in any way they should cease as combat machines before 8/44

I've already suggested, that there were three Morris 6x4 armoured cars from 1932, armed with Lewis guns and used for police duties https://web.archive.org/web/20180103...nd/wijnman.htm
If we add it, an icon 2845 of Polish Kubus might be OK.

148 Chevy Hvy Truck - a detail, but it would rather be GMC truck (in accordance with a photo)


Scout vehicles:
139 Daimler Dingo - they rather weren't given by the British before 6/40 (now 11/39)

316 DAF Scout Car - sure not available after 5/40 (Dingo fills the gap after that date)

It's worth to add KNIL AA trucks with .50 AAMG
https://web.archive.org/web/20160325...guntrucks.html


Aircraft

83 Fokker C.X - it should be duplicated as a fighter bomber, with one MG (they were most typical aircraft in field - "The C.X's were almost entirely used for ground-attack missions.")
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...okker-c-x-c-10

From 11/35 they were also used by the KNIL.
http://kw.jonkerweb.net/index.php?op...=1&limitstart=

85, 116 Fokker C.V - they were used in Europe until 5/40.

94 Fokker T.V - since it had a semi-automatic Solothurn 20 mm gun, and was initially conceived as a "fighter-cruiser", maybe it should be also doubled as fighter-bomber?
It was "active as a tactical bomber during the May War" http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...t-v-bomber-t-5

95 B-25 Mitchell - photo and icon should be British (RAF 320th Sqdn) - there is a separate KNIL machine:

101 KNILB-25 - lack a space in name

As AOP aircraft, from 1/45 Austers were used https://kw.jonkerweb.net/index.php?o...=1&limitstart= Before that date maybe there should just be British Austers? (the Dutch didn't use the Kingfisher, especially in Europe - it was only ordered for the KNIl, but never delivered)

I still think, that a nice addition would be Douglas 8A-3N assault bomber (especially, if you added it to the Chinese
http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...=douglas-8a-3n
https://kw.jonkerweb.net/index.php?o...=1&limitstart=

MGs

275 M.25 No.1 AAMGs - "No.1" wasn't a part of name (only in case of M.18 MGs): http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...ht-machineguns

Weapon #96 Lewis M.25 LMG - it was designated M.20 - http://www.waroverholland.nl/index.p...ht-machineguns

That's all on the Netherlands, unless I find some new information..