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Default Re: North Korea errors report

The following post should fix all the important remaining issues about vehicular units that have not been addressed previously. Another similar post will deal with infantry/artillery/organization issues. Many of the changes, as noted previously, are cosmetics or limited in nature, although as anticipated some vehicles have to be added/deleted or heavily modified. There should be no deletion of template units or others particular disruptive changes.

Unit n.8 T-34/85
It should be rearmed with weapon n.131 85mm D44 Gun 69 in place of the D-48. HE load could also be increased at the expense of AP and sabot (it would be used mostly for infantry support in reserve units and such).
The D-48, while still being an 85mm, is a different weapon not sharing ammunition and ballistics with the D-44/S-53.

Unit 51 : K63
1) Initial availability date should be changed to 1/1972
2) It should be rearmed with weapon n. 230 12.7mm 54T AAMG or weapon n.47 14.5 ZPU-1 AAMG
3) Speed should be reduced to 20.
This unit would represent the Type-63 APC imported from China and as such it should not have the twin ZPU as armament. These were installed in the local, newly built VTT-323 inside purpose built turrets.

Unit 59: BTR-60PB
Initial availability date should be extended back to 1/1974

Unit 63 BMP-1
1)FC should be reduced to 5
2)The ATGM in slot 2 could be changed to weapon 155 Susang Po ATGM

Unit 64: BMP-1
Initial availability date should be moved back to 1/1972

Unit 65: BMP-2
It should be deleted.
Never supplied according to all available sources.

Units 61-223 :Truck
Icon could be changed to n. 2982
It would fit better the GAZ-51/Zil-131/etc. the north koreans have used for their military. Not a must but nice to have.

Unit 105 : K63 M1973
1) Icon change n. 398.
2) Weapon n. 50 14.5 ZPU-2 TMG replaced with weapon n.47 14.5 ZPU-1 AAMG
3)Reclassed to class 52 Wheeled SP-ATGM
4) Missile ammo in slot 2 should be increased to 12
5)9M32 Strela-2 in slot 3 should be deleted
6) Name change to Type 85 Susang

This would represent the Type 85 ATGM carrier, which can be seen in the lower half of the following picture. (though caption is wrong, the vehicle is not an antiaircraft unit but an ATGM carrier as identified in the USMC North Korea Country Handbook)



Unit 239: OT-64u
It should be deleted.
Never supplied to North Korea according to all available sources.

Unit 222-242: Light Truck and Light Truck FO
Icon should be changed to n. 2956
It would make it look like a generic GAZ , which is what has been used for such tasks anyway.

Unit 265 : IS-IIm1944
Final availability date could be extended to 12/1970
This would compensate the deletion of unit 266 IS-III in the formations using this class of units and fit with the north korean tendency to keep obsolete equipment in service well past its prime.

Unit 270: 2S4
It should be deleted.
It was almost certainly not supplied in 2000 for reasons already discussed and no source mentions it as having been supplied at any other date

Units 272-273 : VTT 323 82mm and VTT 323 120mm
Icons should be changed to icon n. 1991.
Icon n.1991 is a self propelled mortar icon while current icons are just plain OT-64 APCs.

Unit 276: 2S1
It should be deleted.
Never supplied to North Korea according to all available sources.

Unit 277: 2S3
1)It should be renamed “Juche-Po 152mm”
2)Final availability date should be extended to 12/2020
3)Weapon n. 53 7.62 SGMT AAMG in slot 2 could be either deleted or replaced with weapon 47 14.5 ZPU-1 AAMG

Two clones of the above copies should be added armed with the following guns
a) Weapon n. 95 122mm D-74 FG
b) weapon n.115 130mm M46 FG
ROF would be increased to 6 for the 122mm variant

Unit 278: 2S5
1)Weapon n 113 152mm 2A36 FG should be replaced with weapon n.111 152mm D20 FH
2)Name could be changed to M1985
3)Initial availability date could be changed to 1/1982

Unit 279: M1988 Koksan
1)Name change to M1978 Koksan
2)Intial availability date changed to 1/1978
3)Top armor should be reduced to 0 (to be consistent with similar units in others OOB)
This unit is at the moment an hybrid between the early M1978 version, built on a T-54/55 hull, and the later M-1989 version built on a dedicated chassis.

Units 281-282: M1974 and M1977
1)Icons for both vehicles should be changed to n. 1992
2)Speed of unit 282 should be reduced to 22

Unit 462: SU-100M
Stabilizer rating should be reduced to zero

Unit 465 Type 75 SPG
1)Armor and survivability ratings should be reduced to zero
2)FC and Rangefinder ratings should be reduced to zero
3)Icon changed to n. 2348
This woul represent one of the early self propelled artillery complex obtained by mating a gun to ATS-59 prime movers.

Units 466-467-468
They should be deleted. They do not match any know north korean SPA in terms of characteristics

Unit 492: M1992
Icon should be changed to n. 2932. This vehicle has no turret as shown in the following pictures:




To be added

Unit 378 from russian OOB GAZ-69 ATGM
It would be armed with weapon n.143 AT-1 Shmel
Availability dates 1/1967-12/2000

M1991 240mm MRL
1) Create a clone of weapon n.204 240mm Rocket with increased range (225 or so)
2) Import unit n. 530 Type 81 MRL from OOB 14 China
3) Rearm it with 22 of the aforeme mentioned rocket (loadout and ROF will have to be slighty adjusted)



Sources various among which:
- www.militaryphotos.net
- SIPRI arms transfer database
- www.jedsite.info
- USMC North Korea Country Handbook 1997 edition
- North Korean Armed Forces Handbook 1976 edition
- Communist Logistics in the Korean War by Charles R. Shrader;
- North Korea Primer
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