Problem with these icons is, that they have turrets.
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Originally Posted by Pibwl
43 Rifle Squad - as for weapon #95: Greece in fact didn't use 8mm M1909 LMG (Hotchkiss Portative), but 6000 of its 6.5mm variant M1922/26 - but we already have a squad 049 with M1926 LMG... BTW - photo 16204 is better for both LMG-equipped sections.
There were also 6000 Chauchats, but it's for desperados...
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Same for pairs: 158&159, 161&163 - these with M1909 LMG should be removed. Also Greek Wikipedia confirms 6.5mm LMG as the main model, apart from Chauchat
https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A7...%CF%82_1922/26
However, from 11-12/40, Greeks impressed into service also Italian Breda M.30 LMGs.
I didn't mean to check infantry in fact, so only this one, for which I have info:
As for
formation #36 Infantry Pl - according to TWH 6/2015 there were only three identical squads in a platoon - what would agree with
http://ww2greece.wargaming.info/file...y-regiment.pdf (from page
http://ww2greece.wargaming.info/TOandEs.htm) (unfortunately, without a platoon level, but a platoon has 3 LMGs and 3 grenade launchers...). Also, according to TWH, 8-men squads were completed with 3-men LMG sections in late 1940, what brought a number of men to 11 (with 4-men platoon command section, it conforms perfectly with this TOE). Unfortunately, the author doesn't care to write (or maybe doesn't know) how LMGs were organized before. (
Also, according to this article, in 1941 additional two ammo bearers were added to an LMG section - but an additional confirmation would be welcome).
It seems from both sources, that there should be a rifle grenade launcher in each squad - now we have it only in Heavy Inf. unit in a company command (units 161-163).
In a company
#05 Infantry Co we have now a lot of units, and three platoons. From sources above, there should be four platoons, no 60 mm mortars (unknown at all), no field guns (which were only 2 at regimental level), no horses (apart from transport ones), and probably no scouts.
Apart from four platoons, a company only had a 9-men command section (with no LMGs nor rifle grenades).
I guess, that up to 4 MGs could have been assigned from regimental MG company (we have 2), but 2 infantry guns and 4 81mm mortars had to serve all three companies.
As for mortars:
329 50mm Mortars, 330 60mm Mortars - no info in any sources, only 81 mm were used pre-war.
331 81mm Mortars - a nice photo of Greek mortar is at
http://greekmilitary.net/WW2.htm
(
just for information, the article in TWH suggests, that only in 1937 Greece bought any mortars - which is hard to believe..)
332 45mm Mortar - used already since some 11/40 (captured on Italians and delivered by the British) - might need another entry in other class, if we treat them the same as 81mm mortars.
Also
2in mortars were delivered by the British during the defensive war (1/41?)
52 88mm FlaK 36 - in fact acquired around 1938, but I guess nobody thought of using them against tanks
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...58435&start=75
61 MG42 AAMG - photo is not appropriate (water-cooled Maxim), but it's hard to find MG-42 AAMG... Maybe St. Etienne AAMG will be better (at least it's Greek)
68 Pioneer Squad - LMG should be #99 M1926
(I haven't checked other instances of M1909 usage)
73 .303 Bren AAMG - photo is not appropriate, could possibly be British 1202 or 3943
214 37mm AA-Gun - if it is US M1, then it should have picture 2313
216 50 cal AAMG - picture is some LMG (ZB vz.26?)
219 75mm Howitzer, 260,264 75mm Bty - the best Greek 75mm was M1919 Schneider L/19 mountain gun, mentioned before, with a range of 9000 km - slightly lacking for an off-map arty... Rest of 75mm guns had poorer range according to
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=12&t=158435
Not very good photo (hard to find):
http://www.trackhead.gr/02_research_...hneider_02.jpg (from
http://www.trackhead.gr/02_research_GreekArtillery.html)
For an off-map gun,
100 mm M14/19 howitzer (Skoda) might be added (range 9.8 km - almost 200), eg. copied from Polish 332 and 411 units - info at
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=12&t=158435
220,225,261,265 85mm Howitzer/Bty - it was a twin tail gun, photo
http://forum.axishistory.com/downloa...0ca1bd9823036c or
http://www.trackhead.gr/02_research_...hneider_03.jpg - more info at
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=158435
Better icon is 58 or 59 or 2102, with a muzzle brake
Range 207 of weapon #249 is sightly overestimated - it was 15,150 m (should be 205)
221,262 105mm Howitzer - correct photo is
http://forum.axishistory.com/downloa...0ca1bd9823036c
Weapon #70 105mm M.1925/27 should have bigger range of 206 - 15.5km (now 204)
238 Marksman - a nice photo for a marksman is on
http://ww2today.com/16-november-1940...-invaders-back
263 155mm How Bty - used in mid-30s at least (Somua tractors were bought for them in mid-30s). I suspect, that they were used from 1/30 - they were WW1 vintage howitzers, and it's doubtful to buy them in 1939.
290 65mm Field Gun - great photo is 8856 (used for unit 320)