Thread: Greek OOB31 v.9
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Old November 5th, 2016, 09:09 PM

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Default Re: Greek OOB31 v.9

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268 149mm How Bty - it was Skoda M.14 (as the weapon's name and http://www.trackhead.gr/02_research_GreekArtillery.html show), but there were only 11, and it was on-map weapon, with range up to 8760 m (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_cm_...dhaubitze_M_14 ). Range 209 is way too big.

Seems from the page quoted above and http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...?f=12&t=158435 that Greece had no off-map heavy arty
...of course, apart from 263 155mm How Bty, which was off-map.

That's enough for the Greek artillery (I wasn't even going to dig that deep in the beginning...)


98, 114, 119, 120 Breguet XIX
- it may be given an own photo, eg from here https://www.haf.gr/en/history/histor...-bre-xix-a2b2/ (with a nice sigma marking) or
https://www.haf.gr/wp-content/upload...1940_41_01.jpg

98 Breguet XIX [fighter-bomber] - it had only one forward-firing MG. Is there a reason, why is it available only from 11/40?...

99 Potez 25 - I've found (and cleaned ) a nice photo of a Greek Potez version, which had a different engine and rudder - attached

100 Avia B.534
- it could be removed at all, since only two were used, and for operational training rather: https://www.haf.gr/en/history/histor...-534-verze-ii/ (it is also confirmed in Czech monograph on B534).

If it is kept, then it's worth to give it an own photo, because 2nd series aircraft were used, with open canopy and slim rear fuselage, while this one is 4th series, with distinct Axis Slovak markings. There are no known photo of Greek aircraft, but I think any Czechoslovak 2nd (or 3rd) series machines without Axis crosses will be better, eg: http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/b534/b534-6.jpg or http://www.svazletcu.cz/admin/pictures/mid/PR043.jpg

..Or I'm attaching my photo, how B534 in Greek service SHOULD look like, according to http://pre15.deviantart.net/d7e5/th/...ve-d7bc7qj.jpg


101 Bloch MB 152 - precisely MB 151 were used. Only 9 were used, but they also had two 20mm cannons - https://www.haf.gr/en/history/histor.../bloch-mb-151/

102, 103 P.Z.L. P-24F,G - F was armed with 2x20 mm and 2 MGs, G - with four MGs only (not counting optional 2x50 kg bombs in both variants). However, there is information, that due to lack of ammo, most machines were converted to 4 MGs in 1939/1940. On the other hand, at least 3-4 P-24F remained with guns at least until autumn 1940.
They existed until 4/41 (at least machines with MGs).

Almost all color drawings of both variants show the aircraft in two-color camo, so it seems, that all aircraft in 1940-41 should have a camouflaged icon. According to a drawing http://alternathistory.org.ua/files/...08-640x905.JPG silver machines were used until 1940 (ie until 12/39?). I'm attaching a photo for camouflaged machines (good b&w photos, showing all aircraft, are hard to find).

BTW, I'm also attaching a photo of Bulgarian P-24 with late markings, that I've just found in a magazine (possibly retouched, but in a professional way - there are no others existing).


104 Potez 633 Grec
- it was a bomber, armed with 2 MGs (now 4): https://www.haf.gr/en/history/histor...z-633-b2-grec/

106 Fairey Battle - delivered in 3/40 according to official HAF page https://www.haf.gr/en/history/histor...ey-battle-b-1/

110 BR Gladiator - photo is Belgian, it should be 12552 or 3651 instead.
Gladiators were used also by the Greek AF since 12/40 (not counting two bought around 1937) https://www.haf.gr/en/history/histor...ladiator-mk-i/

124 Grumman Wildcat - I couldn't find any info about post-war (or earlier) usage of Wildcats in extensive aircraft inventory on official Greek AF site https://www.haf.gr/en/history/historical-aircraft/ (I only found somewhere, that 30 Martlet Mk III were ordered and delivered to Gibraltar, next transferred to Royal Navy after defeat of Greece).
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