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Old January 2nd, 2018, 09:45 AM

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Default Re: Czechoslovak OOB37 and Slovak OOB01

Anyway, back to the main subject. This year I managed to investigate mainly Czechoslovak artillery (which has been omitted somehow), thanks to a reliably-looking Czech page http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191.../aktualne.html
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AT guns:

79 37mm KPUV vz 30 - it should be vz.34 in fact, and according to http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...puv-vz.34.html they were delivered only in a course of 1935 (now 1930). There were no earlier AT guns adopted and their units became first special AT units of CS Army.
Current photo is vz.37 gun, with a very different shield - photos of vz.34 are here: http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...be/kpuv-vz_34/

If we need to have AT gun before that date, than maybe there should be added 75mm vz.15 mountain gun as a stop-gap measure? According to http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...y-kanon-vz.15/ their crews trained AT shooting. (Není bez zajímavosti, že cvičební řád pro horské kanony vz.15 pamatoval i na boj s tanky a obsluhy ho intenzivně nacvičovaly.). It may be copied from Romanian unit 035 or Hungarian unit 035.

This gun could be added as mountain artillery as well.


81 37mm KPUV vz 37 - icon should differ from vz.34 gun - best seems 8008 (a flat shield covered wheels, picture: http://www.1999.co.jp/itbig48/10481102p.jpg )
According to http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...uv--vz.37.html, first guns were made in 12/37 (now 1/37).

82 47mm KPUV vz 38 - according to http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...puv-vz.38.html , no guns were delivered to CS Army before German invasion - deliveries were scheduled on second half of 1939 only (První série kanonů však mohla být dodána až v druhé polovině roku 1939 a přebírali je již okupanti. )
Maybe it should be added eg. as a heavy AT gun, with prototype status?

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Field artillery:


90 76mm Field Gun (vz.30) - range 208 is much too big - according to Chamberlain/Gardner "Light and Medium Field Artillery" it was 13.5 km, http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...non-vz_30.html gives 13.2 km.
BTW: original calibre designation according to that page was 8cm.

It's a detail, but icon 2116 has much too thick barrel for 76mm - best seems 2169, with its split trail and bigger shield.

91 100mm Howitzer (vz.30) - range 206 is too big. Despite Chamberlain/Gardner credit it with 16.000 km, but with barrel length L/25 it is rather impossible. On the other hand, book "Slovenska armada 1939-1945" by Kliment/Nakladal credit it with 10.600 m, the same http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...ice-vz.30.html (there might have been a simple typo in Western sources).

Icon has much too long barrel, best seems 2170 (which BTW uses the same gun bed, as proposed for 76cm vz.30 gun, how was in fact - the two guns were related)

The same remarks as for range and icon apply for Romanian unit 138

The same remarks for Yugoslavian unit 135 100mm Howitzer - it was similar earlier export vz.28 howitzer, but even Chamberlain/Gardner this time credit it with 10.700 m (now: 207). An icon is wrong twin-trail.


174 149mm Battery (vz.15/16 gun) - weapon's name and photo indicates 15cm vz.15/16 heavy cannon, but its caliber was 152 mm and it had an extremely long range of 20.5km (now: 205): http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...anon-vz-15_16/
However, it was very rare piece of the heaviest artillery (only 11 used: http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...zari-1938.html), so it could be replaced with more typical 15cm howitzer - or supplemented with it.

There were two models of 149mm off-map howitzers:
- common 149 mm vz.25 howitzer of heavy artillery (340 pieces, range 11.8km) http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...ice-vz.25.html (photos: http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...oufnice-vz-25/)
- or rare 149 mm vz.15 howitzer of the heaviest artillery units (48 pieces, range 12.6km)
http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...ice-vz.15.html
more photos: http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...oufnice-vz_15/

I suggest to add vz.25 howitzer, especially, that it was also used by Slovakia.

For a long-ranger artillery, rare 15cm vz.15/16 cannon could be replaced with more common 105mm gun vz.35 - 18 km (http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...non-vz.35.html), twin-trail icon - best 2125, ready photo 2243.
They were also used by Slovakia.


175 220mm Battery - according to Polish books on 220mm Skoda mortar, CS army didn't eventually buy vz.28 mortars, and this junk was only produced for export. Also, they are not mentioned in Czech inventory http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...zari-1938.html
According to the inventory and the page http://www.delostrelectvocsarmady191...elostrelectvo/ there were used instead 30.5cm vz.16 mortars (12.3km) and 21cm vz.18 mortars (10.6km)

305mm mortar could be copied from Yugoslavian unit #98.


179 122mm Battery (Soviet origin) - a detail, but a weapon's name should be M-30 or vz.38 FH (Soviet obr.38), not vz.31.

182 76mm Battery - Soviet origin. The weapon has much too big range 208 - Soviet one has 203 (correct). However, definitely more probable weapon is ZiS-3 obr.42 (vz.42), not vz.39 (the same performance). Photo is some unidentified gun, but definitely not Soviet 76mm (leFh18?) - it's better to change it to ZiS-3 eg. 14139.

183 152mm Battery (Soviet origin) - apparently the weapon should be Soviet standard late-war D-1 obr.43 (vz.43) howitzer, as the photo indicates, not vz.10.
Range 208 is much too big - the Soviet one has 202 (12.4km).

185 76mm Howitzer (vz.30) - most probably it should be Soviet-origin 76mm field gun in that period (first of all, obr.42 ZiS-3). Surely the Czechoslovak army in the USSR had no access to CS prewar guns in 11/43.

186 122mm Howitzer - as I wrote for Soviet OOB, better icon is 2167, with correct proportions - current has too long barrel (it was only L/15).

So much for the artillery.