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Default Re: Spanish OOB32 and OOB33 v.11 (2018)

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Misc:

182, 217 Amet St.Etienne - used rather from the beginning of the war only (http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz.../Ametralla.htm, http://www.amonio.es/am_saint_etienne.htm)
Photo is not clear, but definitely not St Etienne, judging from the way the soldier holds a grip (there is Greek St Etiene photo 1220. The current photo is probably Greek Hotchkiss portative anyway).

186, 214 Amet. vz.37 - no sign of usage of this modern weapon at http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz.../Ametralla.htm nor http://www.amonio.es/ametralladoras.htm

380 Esc de F.Amet - Maxim LMG should rather be 7.92mm (MG 08/15)


Aircraft

396 Hawker Furia - 110lb bombs are too heavy - according to Aircraft Profile 018 Hawker Fury: "most aircraft had provisions to for light bomb racks to carry 25lb practice bombs or flares" (already changed in British OOB).

398 I-153 Chaika - rather wasn't used - http://bioold.science.ku.dk/drnash/m...ain/didnt.html
(Photo is I-15 btw.)

406 Vildebeest MkIV - a detail, but it would be just Vildebeest without "Mk" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Vildebeest. Single 1000lb is suspected. According to https://www.mojehobby.pl/zdjecia/3/0...azuFR018_1.jpg initially they had no bomb racks at all and used light bombs, then their armament is quoted to be 4x70 kg bombs. And deliveries started in 1935 (now 6/34)

AFV:

283 Trubria TSH - name should be Trubia. Icon should rather be 1363, like unit #475 (much smaller, BTW)

449,450 CB Protegido, CB Valencia - they should receive bigger icons, being converted trucks (I'll try to find some)

451 CB T-69 - it was built upon T-69 truck, but it was known as MC-36 http://director.io/tanquesyblindados.../mc36/mc36.htm, http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz.../Blindados.htm, http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...no_Suiza_MC-36
Main armament in a turret was clearly 7mm Hotchkiss (BMGs were possibly in sides)
Should be used from 1936 or even 1935 (pre-war police design)
I don't know if it matters, but several men could ride inside (reportedly ten according to Tank Encyclopedia)
Size might be 4, although it's an exception for armoured cars - it was very big.

453 CB UNL-35 - icon is a half-track car, best seems 90 with sticking out fenders. It also had a BMG (DT?)

454 CB Bilbao M 32 - size is too small (2) - they were high box-like vehicles http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...o-modelo-1932/ Crew was 3 according to that page, but it could take 5 more men.
Speed is quoted to be only 50 km/h (now 24!)
MG was 7mm Hotchkiss (Spain rather didn't use 7.5mm FM at all).

Same for Nationalist unit 288. They also used Bilbao with a flamethrower http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...o-modelo-1932/


470 Barbastro M 37 - MG was apparently 7mm Hotchkiss http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...arbastro_tank/
Size should be 3 at least, rather 4 (now 2)
Crew was "reportedly 4"

471 Landesa M 36 - Carro Landesa had no turret, but one BMG. Icon should be different then (upper view http://www.minairons.eu/es/vehiculos...545321478.html) (and smaller) - maybe some tankette (219? 319?)

472 Trubia M 36 - better known just as Trubia Naval. According to Polish article on Trubia tanks (in "Poligon" 1/2013), used (and manufactured) from 3/37 only (now 10/36).
A better icon would be with central turret, rounded rear and without sticking-out fenders https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/ee...4acf225a14.jpg - the best seems 741

Same for Nationalist unit 293 (misspelled Trubria)

474 Renault M 17m - armament should be 7mm Hotchkiss

475 Trubia M 26 A1 - better known as Trubia A4 (eg https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanque_Ligero_Trubia, http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww...ubia_naval.php).
Turret armour was 16mm all around ("Poligon" 1/2013)

477 Trubia M 34 A4 - I've found no source, that would mention, that Trubia tank was armed with Arellano 40 mm gun (along with links above and "Blindados en Espana" book). On the other hand, article in "Poligon" 1/2013 claims, that an idea of arming the tank with a gun was abandoned due to weak under-turret plate.

Same for Nationalist unit 292 - it should be replaced with MG tank, which is lacking in Spain OOB33 (misspelled name Trubria)


Weapons:
#97 Trapote M31 LMG - it's hard to find any info about this weapon, but it is always qouted as M1933
http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerz...Subfusiles.htm, https://www.forgottenweapons.com/hotchkiss-m1922-lmg/
Same for Nationalist #97, which calls it M34.

Last edited by Pibwl; September 4th, 2018 at 05:01 PM..