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Default Re: Italy OOB 34 corrections/suggestions (v.11) 2018

Few notes on aircraft:


111,749 SM75 Marsupiale - according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.75 its military version became SM.82, and only after 6/1940 civilian SM.75 were also used as transport aircraft (apparently pure transport, not for paratroops - unlike Hungarian ones). The same on Russian page http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cww2/sm75.html.
Besides, 749 should start at 9/43
Icon 486 of SM.82 is more appropriate (now it has icon of smaller SM.79 Sparviero)
Same for 111 RSI OOB

113 SM.82 Canguro - proper name was Marsupiale (Canguro is attributed to incorrect translation https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia...82#cite_note-2). "Deliveries to the Regia Aeronautica began in 1940" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.82 [now 3/39] (there is paratroop transport Ca.133 available before that date).

Same for 222,223,762-764 and RSI 113 and 218
As for 223 and 763 and RSI 218 - according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.82 max 800kg bombs were used (weapon 248).


169 Ansaldo SVA 5 - it's still too fast? [3] - max speed was around 230 km/h

170 Ansaldo A.300 - armament was only 2 fixed MGS [now 3]. A crew should be 2.


177,178 Cr.42 Falco - it should be CR.42 (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_C.R.42)
For sure it couldn't take six bombs 50 kg. Italian Wikipedia says about two bombs in fighter-bomber variant (up to 100 kg). According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_CR.42 "During spring 1944, a night assault CR.42 Squadron was formed. These aircraft were equipped with flame dampers and bomb racks for the carriage of four 50 kg bombs; however, these planes were reportedly not used operationally."

As for unit 178, max bomb load was 2x100 kg (now 2x120 kg).

Sources suggest, that fighter-bomber variants entered service only in Africa ( In Africa settentrionale venne adoperato come assaltatore con due bombe (fino a 100 kg l'una) sotto le ali.)
6/40 could be starting date for both, although it seems it was rather 1941: Nell'aprile 1941, soppiantato dal Macchi M.C.200 "Saetta" nel ruolo di intercettore puro, con la consegna dei primi 14 CR.42 Bombe Alari, il C.R.42 venne impiegato per lo più come cacciabombardiere, rivelando un'insperata validità, grazie alla robustezza della struttura e alla resistenza del motore radiale ai colpi da terra. .


179,180 MC.200 Saetta, MC.200 bis - MC.200bis of 1942 did not enter production, but all MC.200 were armed with twin 12.7mm MGs as a standard.
Ordinary MC 200, entering service in 1939 had no bomb racks, and could be a strafer only. A fighter-bomber variant was named MC.200 CB (up to 2x160kg indeed), but they were first used from summer 1942, according to a Polish monograph (Italian Wikipedia seems to confirm it, first mentioning arrival of bomber MC.200 CB from July 1942). Maybe from 1/42 in Russia, as the caption indicates: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...200_Russia.png (not earlier than 6/41 in any case).

Same for RSI 179,180

184 Breda Ba.65 - according to two Polish articles, they were produced only from 2/37 and used from 5/37 (now 3/35). Withdrawn from combat use by 2/41 (now 7/42) (confirmed by https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.65). In combat units they were used as single-seaters.

Although Italian Wikipedia says "1000 kg (carico teorico)" (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.65) but in fact they could take 4 x max 100kg in a bomb bay (though usually it was 4x50kg) [now 4x250]

(BTW: interesting typical armament variant was 168 of 2kg HE bomblets)


185 Picchiatelli
- typical load of Ju 87B was one 500 (or even 250kg) bomb and 4x50kg bombs, not 4x120 kg (it probably couldn't even carry 2x120kg under each wing)

Same for RSI 185

191,192 Ba. 88 Lince - according to Polish article they went to units only in 5/39, ready from 9/39 (now 6/36). Withdrawn from operational service already in 11/40 as a junk (now 11/41) (confirmed on https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Ba.88).
Speed 3 seems too low (490 km/h)

Although Italian Wikipedia gives bomb load 1000 kg, but it had a big problem with overload and wouldn't go airborne with it, especially in Africa, when sometimes they had problems with 250 kg (what is confirmed even on Wikipedia page).

As for unit 191, a standard load was 3x100 kg, 3x200 kg was theoretical.
As for unit 192, according to Polish article and http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/ba88.html, a standard number of 250 kg bombs were two. Three 250kg would be pure theory, not mentioning four (Ba 88 had three bomb racks under a fuselage).

That's probably all on aircraft.