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Default Re: Cross country speeds

Thank you DRG.
This post is in two parts this is PART 1

This is a list of the vehicles I think need to change movement classes.
Some short explanations and ideas.
In the OOBs almost all the 6x4 trucks are in class 2 wheel. I have complied with that convention here.
I think this is because the undriven front axle has the same liabilities (bogability) whether coupled to one or two driven axles.
This is I think because the extra traction/floatation of the 6x4's extra driven axle is cancelled out by the 6x4 vehicles extra weight.
The 6x4 armoured cars are sometimes in class 3 AT wheel.
As they are almost always an unaltered 6x4 truck chassis with added heavy armoured body,gun,ammo etc I have put them in class 2 wheel also.
So all 4x2 and 6x4 into class 2 wheel, and all 4x4 and 6x6 into class 3 A/T wheel.
If an undriven axle were always treated as a liability, Then half tracks could be moved from class 4 tracked into class 3 A/T wheel.
Three quarter tracks might be an exception to this.
I would make class 2 wheel vehicles off road speed 1/4 max speed.
This is because class 2 vehicles need to avoid soft or rough more often than AWD and so will often need to take a longer path. And I think also travel more carefully (slower) as they stick more easily
I also think class 2 wheel should get stuck more often than class 3 A/T wheel. Maybe this is the happens already?
I would put terrapin and the 8 wheeler ACs into class 4 tracked.
I am not a complete novice in this area, I used to drive a International No.I MkIII, and later the same type Truck in 4x2.
I redid the British and German OOBs, they have additional changes.
I think there must be a reason the LVTs and amphibians are class 0, I included them in this list anyway.
USA GMC or studebaker 6x4 (5 ton) and 6x6 (2&1/2 ton) trucks look identicle. Probably same for GMC also.
Geman Opel and Bussing Nag 4x2 and 4x4 look identicle.

Thailand
SPAA 2pdr (21) Picture is Type 94 SPAA with 20mm T98 gun(23)
20mm Gun Truck (23) Picture is 2 pdr on Morris 15cwt(21) or 15 cwt GS Bedford
Light Truck 4x4 (415) is (15 cwt GS Bedford) start date is 30 should be about 37.
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
Type 94 Ho-Go (3)
Ford M1917 LT (6)
Carden Loyd 34 (8)
Carden Loyd 36 (9)
Type 95 Ha-Go (11)
Type 89 Yi-Go (12)
Type 97 Chi-Ha (13)
Type 2 Ka-Mi (16)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 0 default and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Amphib Truck (Toyota Su-Ki) (141)
These vehicles are 6x6. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Ammo Truck (230) (REO M35) start date is 44 should be 49. Replace with Isuzu Type 94 6x4 1937 69 kph (already in OOB).
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Bedford (270) (Bedford QL)
These vehicles are 4x2. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Nissan OP (238)
20mm Gun Truck (23) Picture is 2 pdr on Morris 15cwt or 15 cwt GS Bedford
I think motorcycles (104,105,106,107,108)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Vickers-Morris (25)
Type 92 Osaka (27)

Romania
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
T-38 (61)
T-60 (62)
Pzkpfw BT-7(r) (63)
T-28 (68)
JPz38(t) Hetzer (75)
Maresal M-05 (77)
These vehicles are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
I think M/C Squad (117,118,119,126)
These vehicles come in 4x2 and 4x4 but there are none in class 3 ATWheeled, they only appear in class 2 Wheeled. They could appear in class 3 A/T wheel
M.A.N (256) (MAN ML4500)
Buessing-NAG (207)
Opel Blitz (208)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
OA vz 27 (322)
Ehrhardt E-V/4 (318)
These vehicles are 4x2. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Tatra 57 (222)
Kubelwagen (221)
Skoda (215)
Ford Lt Truck (209)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
BA-6 (324)
BA_10 (325)
Praga AV (216)
ADGR (214)
Steyr 440 (217)
Steyr 640 (210,357)

Hungary
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
T-37A (176)
T-38 (178)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
39M Ford-Marmon (20)
These vehicles come in 4x2 and 4x4 but there are none in class 3 ATWheeled, they only appear in class 2 Wheeled. They could appear in class 3 A/T wheel
Opel Blitz (21)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Tatra T-72 (320)
Loszeres Szeker (231) (Ford 1 ton Model AA?)
Protze Scout (46)
These are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
I think Motorkerekp Raj (86) and Motorkerekp Gpu (87)

Czechoslovakia
These vehicles are 4x4 they are in class 0 default and should be class 3 A/T wheel
AOP Light Truck (17) (Dodge 3/4ton WC 51) maybe start date of 11 43 should be when occupation ends April 45? or replace with tatra 13 or 23, both 4x2?
BA-64 (260)
These vehicles are 6x6. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Ammo Truck (148) (REO M35) start date is 43 should be 49. Replace with 6x4 Tatra 85, already in OOB or with with Tatra 84 6x6
1&1/2 Ton Truck (143) (USA Dodge wc63) Starts 11 43 maybe should start after occupation ends April 45? or replace with Tatra 84 6x6 or tatra 85 6x4 (already in OOB)
These vehicles are 6x6 or 6x4. They are class 2 wheel and can be class 3 A/T wheel.
2&1/2 Ton Truck (144) (Picture is USA GMC or studebaker) Starts 11 43 maybe should start after occupation ends April 45? or replace with Tatra 84 6x6 or tatra 85 6x4 (already in OOB)
Heavy Truck (146) (Picture is USA GMC or studebaker) Starts 11 43 maybe should start after occupation ends April 45? Czechoslovakia has many 6x6 trucks look at
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/m/tatrag.htm
BM-13 Katyusha (180) (USA studebaker US6?) Starts 11 43 maybe should start after occupation ends about April 45?
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
tatra AOP (142)
OA vz 30 (51)
Praga AV (139)
These are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
I think Motorcycles (106,305)

Sweden
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
Sav m/43 75 (12)
Sav m/43 105 (13)
Pvkv m/43 (14)
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 2 wheel. (4x2)
PB m/31-F (26)
I think M/C MG Squad (109) M/C Patrol (152) Motorcycle Sqd (108)
These vehicles come in 4x2 and 4x4 but there are none in class 3 ATWheeled, they only appear in class 2 Wheeled. They could appear in class 3A/T wheel
Heavy Truck (111) (Buessing Nag)
Munitions Truck (230) (Buessing Nag)
These vehicles are 6x6 or 6x4. They are class 2 wheel and can be class 3 A/T wheel.
3 Ton Truck (Picture is USA GMC or studebaker) start date is 30 should be mid 41. Replace with Opel Blitze?
These vehicles are 6x6. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
1&1/2 Ton Truck (110) (Dodge wc63) Start date for this vehicle is 1/30 should be mid 41, replace with Ford Lt Truck 4x2? 209 in romanian OOB
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Civilian car (142 )(Volvo TPV m/43)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
PB m/41 (24) (Landsverk?)

Finland
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
T-50E (13)
T-38 (109,159)
StuG M40G (135)
75mm M40 AT-Gun (136) is class 1 leg?
These vehicles come in 4x2 and 4x4 but there are none in class 3 ATWheeled, they only appear in class 2 Wheeled. They could appear in class 3 A/T wheel
Ammo truck (227,230) (Opel Blitz)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Landsverk 182 (110,117)
BA-6 (25)
BA-10 (26)
BA-3 (111)
These vehicles are 4x2. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Kubelwagen OP (34)

Italy
These vehicles are 4x4 they are class 0 default and should be class 2 wheel.
Fiat 621 (148)
I think Ricerca MC (277,280), MotoGuzzi (MG) (229,278,279,281,282), Guzzi Trialce (515)
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
Carro H-35i (349)
Carro IVh (433)
Breda 61 (474)
Fiat 3000 L5/21 (513,532)
Fiat 3000 L5/30 (514,533)
M14 Sgombratore (530)
M4 Mine Flail (612)
These vehicles are 6x6 or 6x4. They can be class 2 wheel or class 3 A/T wheel.
Heavy Truck (745) (Picture is USA GMC or studebaker) replace with SPA 35 Dovunque 6x4 or SPA 41 Dovunque both already in OOB
These vehicles are 6x6. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
SPA 41 Dovunque (399) start date is 46, should be 43.
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Autocannone 20 (11)
Autocannone 47 (477)
SPA 35 AS-47 (485)
These vehicles are 4x2. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Fiat 508CM (423)
Alfa Romeo 2500 (411,648) 648 is APC class?
Fiat 508CM OA (401)
Lancia IZ (65)
Lancia IZM (66)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Fiat 611 (picture has only 2 axles?)
Fiat 611 37/40 (picture has only 2 axles?)

Nationalist Spain
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
CL PzKpfw IB (92)
CL de Inf M17m (93)
CL de Inf M17c (94)
These vehicles are 4x2 they are class 0 default and should be class 2 wheel.
Recon Avanzado (234)
PzKfpw I/20 (291)
Trubria M 34 A4 (292)
Trubria M 36 (293)
CCI Tipo 1937 (294)
CM Rapido BT-5 (297,300)
Verdeja I (301)
CL de Inf Pz IA (302)
CL de Inf Pz IB (303)
CCI Tipo 1937 (304)
PzKpfw IVh (305)
PzKpfw IA (381)
CTV CV-33 (411)
CTV CV-35 (412)
CTV CV-35LF (413)
CV-35 (414)
These vehicles come in 4x2 and 4x4 but there are none in class 3 ATWheeled, they only appear in class 2 Wheeled. They could appear in class 2 and 3
Opel Azul (25,175) one is size 3 one is size 4
Opel (308)
Buessing-Azul (26) (Buessing Nag)
Carro Municion (230) (Buessing Nag)
These are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
I think Motocicleta (233) CTV MotoRicerca (445) CTV MotoGuzzi (446) CTV MotoGuzziMP (447)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
CB Modelo 39 (290)
CB BA-6 (289)
Kfz 231-6 Azul (16)
SdKfz 232 (6) B (30)
These vehicles are 4x2. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Lancia IZM (416)
Lancia IZ (415)
CTV Lancia IZ (409)
Lancia IZM (410)
Motor Iberica? (estblished 1954?) (Hispano-Suiza?) (19)
Kuebelwagn Azul (21)
Schwmmwgn Azul (22)
Kblwgn OA Azul (27)
Shwmwgn OA Azul (28)

Spanish Republic
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
Negrillo Pz Ia (204)
Negrillo Pz Ib (205)
Negrillo PzI/20 (206)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Carro Camion (224)
CB Protegido (449) (Cami�n Protegido No 1 or Nash-Quad Armored Car)
These are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
I think Motocicleta (200) Motor Iberica (201)
These vehicles are 4x2. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
CB Valencia (UNL-35 chassis?) (450)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
CB Modelo 37a (AAC-1937?) (455)
CB Modelo 37b (AAC-1937?) (456)
CB BA-6 (458)
CB BA-3 (457)

Greece
Fiat SPA 35 (picture is Fiat spa cl39)
These vehicles are class 0/3 default/A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
I think MC Scouts, ELAS Motorcycle (55,56,57,58,59,60,485)
These vehicles are 6x6. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Mercedes LG65/3 (Wrong picture) (94)
Ammo Truck (232) (REO M35) start date is 43 should be 49. Replace with Mercedes LG65/3 6x6, already in OOB, has wrong picture.
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Chevy Med Truck (16) (is it meant to be Chevy 15 cwt C15A? or picture wrong?) (Picture is USA GMC or studebaker 6x4 or 6x6)
Chevy Heavy truck (17) (is it meant to be Heavy Utility C8A? or picture wrong?) (Picture is USA GMC or studebaker 6x4 or 6x6)
Chevy GWS 15cwt (85,87)
This vehicle is Halftrack. It is class 2 wheel and should be class 4 Track.
20mm SPAA (476)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
SdKfz 69 Protze (84)
Morris 15cwt (129)
Chevy AA LRDG (385)
Chevy AT LRDG (386)
BR 2 Pdr Portee (503)

Canada
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
Arm'd Bulldozer (314)
Buffalo II (289)
Renault M1917 (278)
Renault M1917A1 (277)
Priest Kangaroo (195)
Buffalo IV (154)
Wasp Mk2C (128)
LVT-4 Amtrac (58)
Grizzly I (14)
Ram II (17)
Skink AA (18)
Ram I (19)
Churchill I (33)
Churchill III (34)
Churchill AVRE (37)
Crocodile (38)
Scorpion (39)
Ram Badger (42)
Priest (46)
Sexton (47)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 0 default and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Staghound + Rkt (350,351)
Staghound (50)
DUKW (57)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Medium truck (Austin K5) (54)
These vehicles are 6x6. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Heavy truck (Mack NO) (55) start date is 30 should be 43. Replace with AEC Marshal 3 ton 6x4 1936-40 or Scammel r100 6x4 1937-1946 18 mph max speed, Austin K3 3 ton 1939 6x4
Ammo truck (230) (Mack NO) start date is 30 should be 43. Replace with AEC Marshal 3 ton 6x4 1936-40 or Scammel r100 6x4 1937-1946 18 mph max speed, Austin K3 3 ton 1939 6x4
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
1935 Ford/GM AC (7)
This vehicles is 4x2 or 4x4 It is class 3 A/T wheel and can be class 2 wheel.
light truck (Ford F15?) (129)
These vehicles are 4x2. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
light truck (Ford F15 or CMP truck) (129)
I think 3xMotorcycles (312)
This vehicle is 6x6. It is in class 3 A/T wheel.
6 Ton Truck (Mack NO) start date is 30 should be 43. Replace with AEC Marshal 3 ton 6x4 1936-40 or Scammel r100 6x4 1937-1946 18 mph max speed, Austin K3 3 ton 1939 6x4

Norway
Dodge WC53 (151) (picture is WC51/52)
(39) bicycle squad is class 2 should be class 0?
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 0 default and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Daimler A/C (44)
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
BR Carrier AOP
These vehicles are 6x6. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Chevrolet 3t (152)
These are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
I think POL Motorcycle (97)

Netherlands
DAF trucks (13,14,152) picture are wrong look at
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/gdaf.htm
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
LVT-4 Amtrac (330)
VCL M1931 Amph (311)
Vickers LT 6B (309)
MHarrington 4TA (308)
Carden Loyd 36 (307)
KNIL Bulldozer (292)
Sexton (209)
Ram Kangaroo (207)
M3A2 Halftrack (38)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 0 default and should be class 2 wheeled.
Panserwagn M38 (53)
Pnsrwgn M38 Com (54)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 0 default and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Canal Truck (328,329) (Toyota Su-Ki?)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Ammo Car (229)
Chevy Med Truck (146) is it meant to be Chevrolet G506 or picture wrong?) (Picture is USA GMC or studebaker 6x4 or 6x6)
Staff Car (Body Type 3) (161)
Bedford Hvy Trk (147) (Bedford 3 ton)
These vehicles are 6x4. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
Alvis Strausler (325)
Overvalwagen I (323)
Overvalwagen II (324)
Rolls Royce A/C (80)
M39 Van Doorne (Pantserwagen M39?) (10,55)
Panserwagn M36 Pantserwagen M36 (8)
Panserwagn M38 Pantserwagen M38 (9)
I think Motorcycle (84,132,78)
These vehicles are 6x6. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Ammo Truck (230) (REO M35) start date is 44 should be 49. Replace with DAF trado II/III, 1938 6x4. They are in OOB already as DAF med truck and DAF heavy truck (pictures are for USA GMC or studebaker 6x4 or 6x6 though).

Belgium
These vehicles are class 0 default and should be class 4 tracked.
M3/M5 Halftrack (263)
Churchill AVRE (262)
Bulldozer (261)
Churchill IV (252)
FT-17M (200)
FT-17C (201)
Carrier 3in Mor (73)
M15A1 (53)
T.13 B3 (10)
T.13 B1/B2 (214)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 0 default and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Heavy truck (98) (GMC CCKW 2.5t Truck)
AEC Mk II (91)
AEC Mk III (92)
Daimler A/C (62)
Humber Mk.II (12)
Daimler A/C (13)
GMC 2.5t Truck (17) (start date 30 should be 41) and should be after occupation finishes? (about October 44)
These vehicles are 4x4. They are class 2 wheel and should be class 3 A/T wheel.
Bedford (Bedford 3 ton)
These vehicles are 4x2. They are class 3 A/T wheel and should be class 2 wheel.
AOP Field Car (Ford Model BB) (240)
Ford 1ton Truck (219) (Model AA)
Morris 15cwt (95) picture is 15 cwt GS Bedford
1.5 Ton Truck (67) Citroen (U23?)
I think FN Tricar (203)
I think FN AA Tricar (204) Motorcycle Sec (208)k Motorcycle Sec (209)
This vehicles are 6x6 and class 3 A/T wheel
Ammo Truck (229) (REO M35) start date is 30 should be 49. Replace with Brossel TAL? (Their Heavy artillery tractor or Bedford 3 ton (in OOB already))