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Old August 15th, 2006, 07:34 AM

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Default Re: Short 75mm missing its smoke rounds?

Hi Don
No worrries all in good time that is fine by me. Very happy that this is being fixed.

But The issue still remains of the kurtz 75 as mounted in the sdkfz 243/3 and 251/9 and 250/8, not having smoke rounds
Assuming that you agree that these vehicles are designed for the support role as would be apparent from their distrubution within the formations, their weapon characteristics and ammo loadout, then looking at each vehicle individually

sdkfz 251/9 is units 164, 393, 825 or 826 with either class 127-Gun APC (Tracked) or 125-Gun APC (HalfTrack)
Currently sdkfz 251/9 is issued as the gun APC for platoons in a panzergrenadier companies but it very probably should be restricted to the support coy. However the two 'extra' gun apcs in each panzergrenadier company should be 251/9 or more usualy, towed 75mm infantry guns, not sdkfz 251/10 as currently modeled, see
http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/...adier_batt.htm
As far as my small knowledge of the classes goes I would suggest that to acheive this remove 251/9, units 393 and 826 from class 125, then formations 357 and 358 need their nested formation 173 to have its two 251/10s unit 165 replaced with 251/9 unit 164. And we need to be able to choose between the Gun APC and "Supprt APC" in the purchase screen. We still need to give sdkfz 251/9 its smoke, looking at the classes in question,
Class 125 has German 251/10s and /9s also it contains the free french unit 292 M3 Halftrack and the USA unit 33 M3 HalfTrack, otherwise its empty for Russia, Itay, Vichy France, Japan, Poland, USMC
Class 127 has the German 251/9s also it contains the British unit 453 and 456 carriers otherwise its empty for USA, Free French, Russia, Itay, Vichy France, Japan, Poland, USMC. Happy to check the other OOBs if neccessary.
So assuming for the moment that only Germany and GB are using class 127 would it be possible to move British units 453 and 456 into class 125 and give class 125 smoke ie make it CS halftrack?
Upon a bit more looking around maybe this is possible also
Could you make 251/9 class 18 like unit 78, M3 75mm GMC and stug IIIe? Interestingly the stugs all get smoke but only the '0' M3s get smoke though they are the same class? maybe its easier to allocate smoke than I thought?
Would it therefore be easy to give sdkfz 250/8, units 160, 310, 863 or 864 using class 32-scout vehicle or 126-Gun APC (Wheeled) smoke?
How about sdkfz 243/3 unit 74 using class 108-Heavy armoured car and sdkfz 233 (should this be 232?) unit 591 also using class 108?

In my travels I have noticed that the Pz3m has the 50mm gun not the 75mm as in the game.
Also German Unit 218 has the wrong picture 75mm instead of 37mm cannon.
Best Regards Chuck.
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