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Old September 20th, 2013, 07:34 PM

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Default Re: Polish OOB2 corrections/suggestions (v.6)

349 Partisan MG - I'm attaching a proposed picture of a Polish partisan with wz.28 LMG.

350 Partisan MG - I'm attaching a proposed picture of a Polish partisan with German MG (it would also better fit for unit 347, than a current one)

352 Part. Mortars - picture shows 82mm mortar. I'm attaching a picture for Polish 46mm GL.

A word about formations:
form. 342 Gwardia Ludowa, 343 GL Partisan Co - since 1/44 its name was Armia Ludowa (AL). Gwardia Ludowa existed since 5/42, so we should add earlier formations with this name.

It seems from morale & experience modifier, that somebody liked communist GL and despised rightist NSZ (formation 344)

- well, I don't like nationalist and grossly anti-Semitic partisans either, but -10 penalty in morale & experience isn't justified, neither is +5 in case of GL, which were no better, than the rest. Since Poland has high base morale 75, IMO it's enough for partisans as well.
The partisans had limited possibility of training, so as for experience (with base level 70), I would say, that GL and NSZ partisans should have -10, AK partisans (best organized, form. 340, 341) -5 (=average level 65, eg. of Yugoslavian partisans).


364 Carrier HMG was in fact not a scout vehicle, but an infantry support vehicle, used in separate platoons (4-6 HMG carriers). And they were introduced to the British (and Polish) army only in 1943/44 (now 7/40).
I'm attaching a proposed improved picture of a vehicle in actual configuration - for all countries (a current one looks like some makeshift, with a shielded HMG)


368 Polski Fiat 508 [utility veh.] - picture is 2-seater Italian variant, I'm attaching a correct one.
It could be AT wheel class - it was 4x2, but it had some off-road capabilities (like German Kubelwagen).
Precisely, they were produced from 1935 (1/30).
Earlier, a Ford T could be used.

369 Polski Fiat 618 [APC wheel] - used from 1937 only (now 1/30).
Formations 263, 264 Lt Truck Sec, Plt (Available: 01/30-12/46) should be corrected then (I don't think we need such unit earlier, medium trucks should be enough)

370 Polski Fiat 621 [med truck] - picture is generic SP-1 Renault truck, I'm attaching a proper one.
It was produced from 1932 only (1/30) (earlier there should be #360 Ursus A).


374 30cwt GS Truck [med truck] - 30cwt trucks were rather rare in wartime British and Polish armies, especially in combat units. Maybe 375 Bedford should be re-classified to med truck instead (commonly used in field), especially, that it is used only in two Heavy Truck formations.

375 Bedford - much closer for Bedford QL is icon 674 in SPMBT (same for British oob). If it represents Bedford QL, it should be AT/wheel. Maybe it should be made a Medium Truck - if so, a data of Bedford should be changed to correspond with a Medium Truck (we have already #383 heavy truck in this period).

376 3t Chevy 157 [heavy truck] - it might be called Chevrolet 157 (Chevy abbreviation wasn't known in Poland). It was used only from 1/39 (1/30). In fact it was medium truck, the same class, as Polski Fiat 621 - and it was faster (80 km/h - now speed 15).
If we need Heavy Truck formations 267,268 before 1939, we could create Berliet CBA (up to 35 km/h) - I'm attaching a photo.

381 15cwt GS Truck - much more common, than pictured Chevrolet C15 CMP was Bedford MW (picture 30123) or Fordson WOT2


384 Humber Gun Quad - correct name is Morris Quad FAT naturally, if we want to name a manufacturer (could also be Ford or Chevrolet FGT/CGT).


387 Bunkier - photo 29710 looks much more like Polish bunker (which is in fact, because I did this picture myself long ago )


400 37mm AT-Gun - introduced only in mid-1936 (now 1/30).
If we need to feel a gap, #399 37mm wz.18 might be used as AT-gun in 1930-35 (though in fact, there were no AT-guns in Poland at that time at all). On the other hand, during a French period more modern guns were used (below).
Name 37mm wz.18 should be supplemented with "gun", because it was not a standalone mark designation.

401 25mm AT-Gun - radio should be 2(1) - it was standard AT gun in France.

402 47mm AT-Gun - photo is a Japanese gun, and armament is 47mm Bohler. It should be a French gun (weapon #21 47mm SA37 (L53) from French oob), picture 203, radio=0.
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