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Originally Posted by Weasel
Why are they btn support then since they cannot support the btn? Btn mortars do not run forward to fire directly at the enemy, they are organic indirect fire fast response artillery that deploy with the btn HQ.
I am going through the oobs and so far the USA para btn support is the only one like this, the French AFN support has indirect 81, as does Russia (inf btn support), Romanian mountain btn support, Swedish btn support to name a few.?
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Is the French AFN support an [A] formation? NO it is NOT and therefore
not set up as a para drop formation so it gets normal arty mortars.....put that in an aicraft and drop it and you'll get the mortar and the crew dropped separately....... they US version was set up by a differently by the guy who wrote it and AFAIK you are the first one to take issue with it .
Para Mortar Pl with "Abn 81mm Mtr" is direct fire so you get some fire support and it's only used by 127 Para Mortar Pl - Available: 01/46-12/53 after that Para Mortar Pl from 1/54 - 12 /65 is a normal indirect capable mortar and it's used in Para Bn Spt [A] so it is dropped and the crew separates out. AFAIK it's been like that for over a decade.......and there are no Russian [A] mortar units and if you think there are then provide formation numbers. I cannot be expected to remember ever detail of the 17+ thousand formations in MBT.
What you are commenting on is ONE unit in the US operating for 8 years used in Used in Formation 132 Para Bn Spt [A] and in Formation 219 Para Bn Spt both run 1/46-12/53 and have now been renamed Para DF Mtr Pl for greater clarity... that is set up to allow players some mortar support that does not need to be rejoined and here's the list of all the units in the game that use that unit class and are therefore direct fire only mortars...so it's not just that one US formation that is set up like that
NationID NationName name slot
1 Egypt Para Mortar 216
4 Israel 60mm Para Mtrs 522
4 Israel 60mm Para Mtrs 523
4 Israel 60mm Para Mtrs 524
5 Japan Para Mortars 462
5 Japan Para Mortars 463
5 Japan Para Mortars 464
5 Japan Para Mortars 465
6 France 60mm Mortar 344
6 France 60mm Mortar 381
12 USA Abn 81mm Mtr 516
14 China 100mm T80 Mtr 405
14 China 100mm PP-89 Mtr 407
18 India Para Support 546
18 India Para Support 545
18 India Para Support 544
18 India Para Support 543
18 India Para Support 542
19 North Korea Abn 60mm Mortar 598
19 North Korea Abn 60mm Mortar 599
27 Belgium Para Support 527
27 Belgium Para Mortar 542
27 Belgium Para Mortar 543
30 Canada Para Mortars 507
30 Canada Para Mortars 508
30 Canada Para Mortars 509
30 Canada Para Mortars 510
30 Canada Para Mortars 511
31 Greece Para Support 321
31 Greece Para Support 322
31 Greece Para Support 323
34 Italy Para DF Mortars 417
34 Italy Para DF Mortars 415
34 Italy Para DF Mortars 416
41 Yugoslavia / Serbia 60mm Para Mtrs 289
41 Yugoslavia / Serbia 60mm Para Mtrs 290
41 Yugoslavia / Serbia 60mm Para Mtrs 291
41 Yugoslavia / Serbia 60mm Para Mtrs 292
41 Yugoslavia / Serbia 60mm Para Mtrs 293
46 Austria FJg 81mm GrW 368
52 South Africa 81mm DF Mortars 215
52 South Africa 81mm DF Mortars 216
52 South Africa 81mm DF Mortars 217
53 Switzerland Fsch Moerser 366
53 Switzerland Fsch Moerser 367
60 Croatia 60mm Para Mors 293
63 Ethiopia Para DF Mortars 438
63 Ethiopia Para DF Mortars 457
67 Sudan Para Mortar 542
71 Indonesia Para 81 Mortars 571
71 Indonesia Para 81 Mortars 572
71 Indonesia Para 81 Mortars 573
73 Portugal Para Mortar Sec 214
73 Portugal Para Mortar Sec 215
73 Portugal Para Mortar Sec 216
73 Portugal Para Mortar Sec 217
73 Portugal Para Mortar Sec 218
73 Portugal Para Mortar Sec 219
73 Portugal Para Mortar Sec 220
73 Portugal Para Mortar Sec 221
86 Rhodesia Para Mortar 98
95 For R&D only 81mm ParaMortar 217
but if you think we're being unfair I can build a new one with mortars that will be dropped in two parts to cover those 8 years.
APPARENTLY this is one formation that was set up this way then fell through the cracks as it seems that every year after 1953 the mortars are normal DF ......but as you can see there are a lot of other nations that use the same type of unit.