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Old September 6th, 2017, 12:59 PM
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I was playing the Centag campaign and was expanding my core units and came across an unit loadout error. I found the M728 CEV's 165mm gun had HEAT rounds? That is incorrect. That demolition gun only had HEP rounds (High Explosive Projectile). I was a crew member of the M728 CEV, the only other round that gun had besides HEP, was a practice round which was a concrete round of equal weight to the HEP round, 65 lbs to be exact.
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If you look the weapon up in Mobhack you will see it is class #26 - HESH gun

HESH is pretty much the same thing as HEP, and from the games prospective works the same way.

High Explosive, Plastic is the US term for High Explosive Squash Head rounds.
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Totally different. HESH is intended to strike, expand on contact, and detonate. HEP, for the 165mm demo gun is 65 lbs of explosives. Goes down range strikes and detonates.
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In game terms, It has the same effect and matches the same gun on the Centurion AVRE.

HESH=HEP=HESH



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High-explosive squash head (HESH) is a type of explosive ammunition that is effective against tank armour and is also useful against buildings. It was fielded chiefly by the British Army as the main explosive round of its main battle tanks during the Cold War. It was also used by other military forces, particularly those that acquired the early post-World War 2 British 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7A1, including Germany, India, Israel and Sweden. In the United States, it is known as HEP, for "high explosive, plastic".

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/article/article_496.html
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High Explosive Squash Head (HESH), for which the American term is High Explosive Plastic or HEP
http://ciar.org/ttk/mbt/HESH-testfir....tankammo.html

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..........high explosive plastic (HEP).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M728_C...gineer_Vehicle
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Based on the chassis of the M60 Patton tank, the armament was changed from using the 105mm M68 rifled tank gun used on the standard M60/A1/A3, to a 165mm M135 short-barrelled demolition gun with 30 rounds of HEP (high explosive, plastic) ammunition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ordnance_L9
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The American M728 Combat Engineer Vehicle variant of the M60 Patton tank used the M135 gun patterned after the British 165 mm.[3]


[3]M60 Main Battle Tank 1960-91 By Richard Lathrop, John McDonald, Jim Laurier
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/eng/M728.html


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Ammunition for the M135 165mm gun is issued in fixed complete rounds. A complete round consists of all ammunition parts needed to fire weapon once. It consists of an electric primer and propelling charge contained in a cartridge case and a fused projectile. The cartridge case is threaded onto the base of the projectile. The term "fixed" used with ammunition means that propelling charge cannot be changed. A round is loaded into the gun as a unit.

165mm ammunition.
Model Type Length Weight Projectile Weight Primer Fuze
M123E1 HEP 27.62 in (701 mm) 65.6 lb (29.8 kg) 62.5 lb (28.3 kg) M73 electric M62A1E1 BD
M623 Training 27.62 in (701 mm) 65 lb (29.5 kg) ? N/A N/A


M123E1 High Explosive Plastic (HEP)

TM 9-2350-222-10-3: M123E1 HEP
Olive drab with yellow markings and black band.

M623 Target Practice (TP)
Blue with white markings.

M123E1 HEP 27.62 in (701 mm) 65.6 lb (29.8 kg) 62.5 lb (28.3 kg) M73 electric M62A1E1 BD

Crewmen may have called it "high explosive Projectile" but nobody else does and everyone else agrees that HESH and HEP are the same thing and that the M728 carried 30 of them which is why it's set up like that in the game.

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