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Old May 20th, 2018, 10:24 AM
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Default Re: Height Maps

Hmm, I must be doing something wrong, I followed DRG instructions in post #190 (I have the full paid for version) and the first time through per the instructions here:

"After opening the map go to second page of tools (either by clicking the blue triangle or "n" key on your keyboard) and choose
clear keeping the current contour"

That just clears the map of everything including the contours. The second time through I did not click the clear button and the contours stayed by the map is still a big empty blank map.

I tried both selecting block fill and 1-90 fill, nothing changed.

I don't know?
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Default Re: Height Maps



If you have the CD version, open the Extended Map Editor. Use the "Strip" button at the bottom, thus revealing the Venhola contours on the real map, not just the minimap. Very simple.

Otherwise, use the top button (circled), which resides on page 2 of the button-interface. Set a huge fill area by using the "Fill Range" button (just above the blue "play" button). And then you can right click on the map to start manually filling the whole map with that clear terrain.
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Default Re: Height Maps

We have NO IDEA what map area you selected and for all we know it IS dead flat !

Post the link you are using
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Default Re: Height Maps

Maybe that is the issue, the map is dead flat, I was thinking that trees, rivers, gulley's, hills ect. would be populated, but maybe I was wrong in my assumption. Also, I was using this in SPWW2, maybe it does not work in that. I generated maps for Smolensk, Minsk and Sevastopol areas (they are all just blank open ground maps, with some contours).

Here is one link:

https://www.venhola.com/maps/geo.php...989654960111,0

It's just a big blank map with some contours, none of the fill options brings in any woods or anything.
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Default Re: Height Maps

All you get is the contours...... IF the map has any..... You have to add the trees etc......of course it works with SPWW2.... both games used the exact same map code but that link you posted shows plenty of contours



it's up to you to add in everything else. In map making for historical maps getting the contours, right was a BIG part of the work......this eliminates that part of the work but it doesn't hand you a finished map
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Default Re: Height Maps

Okay I got it, I was thinking that for some reason that it some how knew how to add terrain to the map hexes. My misunderstanding.
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Default Re: Height Maps

I am posting this here since i am working on a map generated from the Venhola map tool.

From the WINSPMBT Game Guide:

Terrain, hills and LOS

Each level of hill in the game is broken down into 10 units. Ground level terrain that is "5" high is midway to being a level 1 hill. Level 1 terrain that reports as being "15" high is midway to being a level 2 hill etc, etc to the top level ( level 15 )

The game does not block LOS behind a "bump" in the map until it gets to be 4 higher than the base height for that level ( ground level would be 4, level 1 would be 14, level 2 would be 24 etc etc. ). It will allow you to see over and behind any "bump" 3 and under so any terrain 3 and under above the level you are on will offer neither cover nor concealment.



For example.....



If a unit is at zero height directly behind a 4 high "bump" that is three hexes long , LOS will be blocked for 2 hexes behind the bump. If that 4 high bump is 4 hexes long, LOS will be blocked completely right across the map. If the bump is 5 high even one hex will totally block LOS.



We are currently considering that each unit of height roughly represents 24 inches or .6 meters. As a simple rule of thumb this would make each hill level represent roughly 20 feet or 6 meters of height


So:
Height 1 = 20 feet/6 meters
2 = 40/12
3 = 60/24
4 = 80/30
5 = 100/36
6 = 120/42
7 = 140/48
8 = 160/54
9 = 180/60
10 = 200/66
11 = 220/72
12 = 240/78
13 = 260/84
14 = 280/90
15 = 300/96

The reason for my seemingly grognard questioning is I am working on a map that highest peaks need to be 656'/200m and I need to set the ratio to translate the scale to WINSPMBT height system. I am calculating that if level 15 300'/96m will be simulating the 656'/200m then each 100'/33m of real height should be a 2.5 level increase on the map. Sounds good?
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