German OOB 16 Corrections/Suggestions

[Cross]

German OOB 16

1. The 12 ton SdKfz 8 and the 1 ton SdKfz 10 are both size 3. The SdKfz 10 was one of the smaller WWII halftracks and the SdKfz 8 may have been the largest. The SdKfz 8 is certainly more than twice the size of the SdKfz 10.

The 1 ton SdKfz 10 (unit 436)
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/...s/sdkfz-10.asp

The 12 ton SdKfz 8 (unit 434)
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/...ks/sdkfz-8.asp

2. Two German HMGs have a range of 44, while Allied HMGs only have a range of 30. Even allied 50cal MGs only have range of 40

Weapon:
193 MG34 HMG
194 MG42 HMG

3. The German MG08/18 MMG (weapon 122) has a range of 30. I believe all other MMGs have a range of 24


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[Mobhack]

Have you read the sticky thread on OOB Error reporting posted at the top of this forum?

In particular the following paragraph:

Do NOT mix nations in one error report. If you have some points to make about Finland and some for the USMC, post each in its own separate message thread. (Exceptions might be where you might be comparing the same tank across several OOBS).

Next time, please post such a multiple mishmash in separate threads for each of the various nations. (Or, append the particular nations post to an already existing one in the forum for the particular nation if you can find one.)

It makes tracking things much easier when doing the annual OOB edits if all you have to do is search the headers rather than blindly search all body text for OOB #3 related stuff.

Plus, if folks then decide to reply to the mishmash post on the topic of one of the nations and others to another bit of it on yet another then it all becomes an incestuous tangle of conversations on different subtopics all mixed into a general pot-luck stew.

So in future - please keep to the published guidelines.

One nation, one post. Simples.

Andy

[Cross]

Originally Posted by Mobhack

Have you read the sticky thread on OOB Error reporting posted at the top of this forum?

In particular the following paragraph:

Next time, please post such a multiple mishmash in separate threads for each of the various nations. (Or, append the particular nations post to an already existing one in the forum for the particular nation if you can find one.)

It makes tracking things much easier when doing the annual OOB edits if all you have to do is search the headers rather than blindly search all body text for OOB #3 related stuff.

Plus, if folks then decide to reply to the mishmash post on the topic of one of the nations and others to another bit of it on yet another then it all becomes an incestuous tangle of conversations on different subtopics all mixed into a general pot-luck stew.

So in future - please keep to the published guidelines.

One nation, one post. Simples.

Andy

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[Mobhack]

Thank you. It makes life MUCH easier

[Griefbringer]

Originally Posted by Cross

3. The German MG08/18 MMG (weapon 122) has a range of 30. I believe all other MMGs have a range of 24

Water-cooled tripod-mounted MGs tend to have in-game range of 30, while air-cooled ones usually have a range of 24.

That 08/18 certainly looks like it has water-cooling.

[Brian61]

The MG34 and MG42 were superior weapons, if you check the actual specifications with the Laffette mount which included integral indirect fire control and the Tiefenfeuerautomat fire control, the 44 range may actually be a bit too pessimistic.

[Cross]

Originally Posted by Griefbringer

Water-cooled tripod-mounted MGs tend to have in-game range of 30, while air-cooled ones usually have a range of 24.

That 08/18 certainly looks like it has water-cooling.

I know it looks like that in many OOB, but I’ve seen a few air-cooled HMGs with range 30, like the Japanese Type 92 and the French FM14. Which is why I thought the distinction was MMG/HMG not air/water.

Cross

[Cross]

Originally Posted by Brian61

The MG34 and MG42 were superior weapons, if you check the actual specifications with the Laffette mount which included integral indirect fire control and the Tiefenfeuerautomat fire control, the 44 range may actually be a bit too pessimistic.

The reputations of MG34 and MG42 have been a little embellished. They are good weapons in many ways. Some argue that the MG 34 was actually the better weapon. Tougher, heavier, more reliable, more accurate, with a longer a barrel, and less prone to jerk off target when fired, and it had semi-auto. The MG42 overheats even more rapidly than the MG34, but the barrel is quicker to change.

In the game the MG34 and MG42 HMGs already get an accuracy bonus that other HMGs don’t get. The MG34 gets ACC 25 when it would normally be 20, the MG42 gets 22 when it would be 17.

I agree that both guns can shoot further than 2200m, but so can other tripod MGs. The German guns had a lower muzzle velocity and shorter barrel than some Allied MGs.

The range drum on the Vickers went up to 4500 yards, and the gun came with range finder and telescopic director. And it was water cooled with a much longer barrel than even the MG34.

I don’t think we’re trying to model the longest range that a MG can kill man, as that would be way above the current ranges, but what is a sensible effective range for various tri-pod MGs in the game. Should German HMGs really shoot 33% further than similar Allied weapons?

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[gila]

Originally Posted by Cross;811676[/QUOTE

Should German HMGs really shoot 33% further than similar Allied weapons?

Cross

It's been that way for years,why change it now?
I can hear the moans from german truist already if so

[Brian61]

The Tiefenfeuerautomat system automatically varied the range elevation as the weapon was fired, making it more effective at long ranges by giving a better distribution to the beaten zone. AFAIK this feature was not present on any allied HMG.