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Old January 17th, 2011, 03:07 PM
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Note to Self: Continue following Fastboat Toughs' threads, excellent info!
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Old February 12th, 2011, 06:13 PM
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Fallout Re: Transport for U.S. Patriot Units-Update!

Have been talking about MEADS for a long time now. Funding here is has now become conditional for further funding of the program. It's a quick update at the top. Some might remember my "three legged stool" analogy.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...0639/#more-639

The day before though it cleared another major milestone, program is on track.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/21630/

This completes two weeks worth of news for this and others as just posted today.

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Old February 12th, 2011, 06:55 PM
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This is the raw data only as submitted from the last patch post I submitted. It's been my policy to repost these into their "home" threads for comment or not.

TRANSPORT FOR U.S. ...UPDATE!
D1. DELETE: ITALY/MEADS/UNIT 182/ The reason for deletion is that the MEADS is about 4 - 5 years out from being fielded providing there are no delays in testing and as follows. This program is under so much pressure that if any one of the three legs holding this up falters (U.S. 58%, Germany 25% & Italy 17% of funding.) this program is probably done. As I noted in the "JET..." thread it was not mentioned in the JAN 06, 2011 speech by SECDEF Gates as one of the programs to be cut, also no news out of the other two partners of any move thus far to do likewise with their defense budgets even though they are making major cuts as well in defense spending. Lockheed Martin is also pushing hard against it (MEADS) as well with the major success seen in the PATRIOT (Upgrade.) PAC 3 missile. But this could survive all because of the cancellation guarantees that could run into the 100's of millions of dollars at the point of termination in development. It should be noted however that the program has been very successful to date. This will allow for a mobile platform to be properly modeled as this is NOT a static system! Also each mobile launcher will have a dedicated ammo unit paired with it, and will actually be bought as a unit in this manner such as the ARCHER SPA System and the USA with PALIDAN.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...744/#more-5744 FMTV based on this to be the new launcher, supply and component platform.
http://www.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_fmtv.php
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...KEYWORDS=meads
http://www.reuters.com/article/idCNN2726097420101027
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...s-0639/#conops
Posts: Page 1; #6 & #7, Page 2; #11, #12, #15, #17 & #18.


D2. DELETE: USA & USMC/HUMRAAM/UNITS 816 & 513 Respectively/ Program cancelled on 06 Jan. 2011 by SECDEF Gates.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/...5f3882e1791d50 SECDEF Gates kills SLAMRAAM & EFV etc.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...1f966&_cview=0 Dated: 02 Sep. 2010 @ 1041.
This is to show how long ago and fast a program dies. This document is the final solicitation notice to incorporate the FMTV as the launcher platform and complete the testing to final system operational demonstration of SLAMRAAM as it goes into low rate production.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...1415a&_cview=0
Dead. Dated: 22 Sep. 2010 @ 0909.
Posts: Page 2; #16 & #20.

S-400 TRIUMF Page 4 TO&Es
C1. CHANGE: RUSSIA/S-400 TRIUMF/UNIT 295/Fielded date to JAN 2010vice JAN 2007/ This program suffered from delays as well and I suspect was entered based on developmental data. This is mounted on a mobile platform as well as it should be. Will transfer this info to the SPA/SPAA thread when done here.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ssia/s-400.htm
As of 2007 it was not deployed due to technical issues. Some reported it had but as this touches on it there was confusion in the west between the S-400 and an upgraded version of the S-300 early on as well.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/12012/
S-400 completes trials in Nov. 2009 as reported in Dec. 2009.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/14918/
This article would almost suggest a later date then I have given above based on production and combat launch testing to not have been completed/or started until this past fall. I still like the date above as Post #1 supports this as well as the AUSA (Which in the updated section supports Post #1.) source I used recently in the Jet... thread.
Post: Page 1; #1.
End Part 1

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Fallout Re: Transport for U.S. Patriot Units-Update!

News of the week.

S-400 TRUMF slowly still coming on line as Moscow gets it's second battery.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110216/162635663.html
This also came off the "did".com site.

Well I've been watching this program for a long time now and warned in the patch post that if one leg leg of the 3 legged stool faltered the program will likely be killed. Well you better get off that stool right now, two are faltering real fast!!
These countries stand to lose in the 100's of millions of dollars or more by canceling MEADS now. And parallels to the
F-35, EFV and other programs are not hard too make here. All are troubled programs, with cost over runs, R&D issues and questions arising over are these the right systems for the times? Though MEADS has had some major successes over the last couple of years, like the EFV the cost has finally maybe caught up to MEADS as well. You have to really step back if you live in the U.S. given what's happening here politically and ask is the F-35program really that safe if if the cost over runs continue? I do know my Federal taxes are going up on 1 Mar. and on 4 Mar. the government will shut down without a compromise on the budget we've here yet to pass for FY 2011. If this keeps up the F-35 could easily find itself going the way of SLARAAM (w/European partners.) , EFV, and now MEADS (w/European partners.) if it doesn't "fly right" and get it's costs under control. The MEADS radar system is so advanced it might cross over to the PATRIOT PAC III making a much improved PATRIOT system better.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...639/#contracts

A perspective.
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/...0a3d0df2434e95

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The news of the last week.

This next is going to cause me to review within the game who has the PATROIT systems PAC 1 to PAC 3 and who doesn't and should. UAE again.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...390/#more-4390

Track and investigate for the 2011/2012 campaign.

That's it for this week.

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The news of the past week.

Russia is staying busy as are many in improving and coming up with new AAGM Systems to counter the growing threat from the air with the advances being made in that area especially with the push towards 5th Gen fighters to try too match the F-22. Some we've discussed such as Russia/India PAK FA, Chinese J-20, U.S.
F-35 with Japan and S. Korea starting working on their own fighters. Russia lead the news this week with their very capable S-300 and S-400 systems. It should be noted work has already been started on the S-500 which we should be hearing more about in the next year or so.

1. The S-300 systems I reported on a while back indeed look like they are going to Venezuela. If the deal holds up and it looks like it will, this will have a major impact on air defence in the region.
Note the last line. Off "DID" site.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110222/162713838.html
All you ever wanted to know about S-300 & S-400. AUSA is a very well respected air power think tank a "JANES" if you will in this area.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Grumble-Gargoyle.html

2. Russia is going on a massive arms build up of their own not seen since the end of the "Cold War" here's a small piece of that pie, their improved S-300V4 this year.
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110228/162790155.html
http://www.deagel.com/Air-Defense-Sy...000372006.aspx

It is after all very "Hush Hush".

3. The third S-400 regiment is to stand up in the far east the second as already reported in the 'patch post" will be stood up in the Moscow area by the end of the month. Note para 3 for unit make up.
http://defense-update.com/wp/20110221_s400.html

4. I didn't quite put all this together on how the MEADS Launcher (And PATRIOT PAC-3.) were going from 4 AAGM's (Standard PATRIOT AAGM.) to 12 AAGM'S for MEADS/PATRIOT PAC-3 from basically the same launcher, but again para 3 of this article clears it up better then some I've read. And PAC-3 has been around and is operational as stated earlier I'll need to sort this out for next years "patch post".
http://defense-update.com/wp/20110303_pac-3_ms.html

TRACK and follow up on for the 2011/2012 campaign.

A bit tired so I'll call it a night, take care all!

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Russia is going on a massive arms build up of their own not seen since the end of the "Cold War"
Not really. What they are doing is starting to face a massive block obsolescence issue. The planes, missiles etc built in the 80's won't last or be good enough forever. For some items, like T-72/80 they can get by with cheap upgrades. But in other cases,
fighter planes, SSBNs, SAMs etc you need something new eventually to mantain a viable force.
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Fallout Re: Transport for U.S. Patriot Units-Update!

News of the last two weeks:

Well Don probably did the right thing to take the time to make MEADS a mobile launcher system (Thanks! , I'll have to get you to do the same for PATRIOT someday!?!) and keep it in the game for Italy though if it does survive (Oh yes apparently it still has a pulse!), the unit is ready to be transferred to the U.S. and Germany. Even after the U.S. and Germany have announced the cutting off of funding, they will keep it funded through the developmental stage, but this process is allowing the opportunity for continued success with now the possibility of a couple of new partners to get involved within the next two years that could in combination save this program.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23038/
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...639/#contracts


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Fallout Re: Transport for U.S. Patriot Units-Update!

Finland gets the first of it's SISU 8x8 NASAMS FIN launcher vehicles.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23345/

NASAMS FIN is the export version of the SL-AMRAAM former U.S. system that was cancelled at the end of last year as announced by SECDEF Gates on 6 Jan. 2011. The following is for background only, note the 2009 date. For more on SL-AMRAAM see earlier posts this thread especially as transferred from the Patch Post thread.
http://www.raytheon.com/newsroom/fea...aam/index.html

Follow up on this!

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Fallout Re: Transport for U.S. Patriot Units-Update!

News from LW...

Before anyone gets too excited, this should not come as a surprise given the international scope of the project under it's various different names, see last weeks post here, but SLAMRAAM has successfully moved on in it's funding through the developmental phase, again as with MEADS it's cheaper to fund it through that stage then be liable in 100's of millions of dollars in program termination fees as would be the case for MEADS and as has been brought up many times in this thread.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/23514/
Note the OSH-KOSH armored FMTV is the launcher platform for the U.S. as pictured in the ref.

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