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What I think will be needed is to change the T-15 UNIT 346 START to JUN 2022 (Matches current T-14 date.) vice JUN 2021. These 2 armor units are bound together at least mechanically and by some other subsystems.[/quote]


...........and I assume 374 as well ??
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This above mentions the fact they're going to attempt this while the "trials" are still ongoing, so think about this, they want to build the the T-14/T-15 while their still trying to figure out how to fix them in the first place!?! They need to consult with Turkey and India and ask them how that worked with the ALTAY and ARJUN. It didn't, it delayed one by a couple of years and the other is still "scratching their heads" as well.

So by extension and as I've posted on regularly over the years, they to are suffering from the same technical issues that Turkey is having with the ALTAY, further compounded by problems revolving around certain electronic packages to include but not limited to the FCS.

You must remember the following:
1. This is Russia first from the ground-up tank design in decades. They take time even the ABRAMS and LEOPARDS took years and years to from design to FOC.
On top of that it's a huge departure in design for them and it will determine how they are deployed.

The T-72 is 7.2 ft(2.19 m ) high

The T-90 is 7.3 ft (2.225 m ) high

The M1 Abrams is 8 ft (2.44 m) high

The T14 Armata is 10 ft (3.3 m)

That's a BIG difference to adjust to after 2 generations of tanks that are shorter than most of their opponents and it makes the vehicle a much bigger target

OTOH the Leo 2A6 is 9.8 ft (3.0 m) high and that caught me by surprise as my main focus in Icon building is only width and Lenght. I hadn't paid attention to height but still..... the Russians are used to tanks a Meter shorter than the T-14. That thing stands out like a 10 year old in a kindergarten class............ or a Moose in a herd of cattle.

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Yes that would mean Russian UNIT 374 as well, so congratulations on passing the SPMBT Awareness Check (SAC)!!!!

So for the rest of you, be careful so you too don't get SAC'd!?!

About UNIT 374 as far as I know they haven't committed to the 57mm yet but, I know however, I do have a couple of articles in my APC/IFV folder concerning the issue and that it is currently being strongly considered. I'll be watching it, since I keep my "poop" for so long.

So Don, please tell me that the "older" German LEOPARD tanks up to the A6 are mostly legacy ones from before you guys took over the game. I'm assuming they are based on the dates but, if I'm asking, you already know then, I'm finding a mess.

For instance LEOPARD 2A5 UNITS 031 & 032 looks like they can be deleted as they are to early by at least a year or more. UNITS 270 & 271 are closer but, it's looking like they might be early by about 6 months at least as well. From my sources with a very tight or exact same date from one of my sources:
"The first Leopard 2A5 was handed over on 30th November 1995."

If I understand it correctly, those LEOPARD 2A5 tanks UNITS 032/271/274 & 275 with the (S) represent ones with the Steel plates added on the "belly" for mine protection. If that is correct, than the issue is they didn't have that added on to them as far as I can tell to this point. It was from the lessons learned from the German KFOR Ops with the LEOPARD 2A4/2A5 tanks, which is why the LEOPARD 2A6M had the modification done as noted above and as follows again representative of my sources:

"Lessons learned from Bundeswehr operations in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo, where its forces were confronted with an extreme mine threat, the transformation of the Bundeswehr into an operational army, and the increase in out-of-area deployments made it necessary to improve the mine protection of the Leopard 2A6.
Between 2004 and 2008, therefore, a total of 70 Leopard 2A6 tanks were modified to 2A6Ma. These vehicles were equipped with a mine protection kit, which included a mine protection belly plate under the hull and a belt seat for the driver attached to the hull roof."

We are familiar with this because as you might remember Don and I fixed Canadas LEOPARD issue that would cumulate with the addition of the 2A6M (That they returned to Germany.) when they received both the LEOPARD 2A6MCAN/2A4MCAN tanks.

I ask for you to do nothing until it's sorted out. This will be done as separate submission for Germany as I've come across some minor I hope APC/IFV issues as well, though again, minor compared to the tanks.

So I leave you with these thoughts...
1. Play CANADA!!!!

2. How is it that this kind of situation keeps following me lately, year after year!?!



Oh, that's right, OWOO/or OWOOB (If you prefer.) for those in the know. Alright I love a challenge as well!

Anyway have "house" things to do with CINCLANTHOME so HAVE A GREAT DAY!!

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The Leo dates were based on what info was available at the time they were entered and have little to do with SP2. If they are wrong and you have hard info now that wasn't available before then make a list.
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It's not much of a problem the biggest thing as always, is reading the material through to catch things like the "xyz training battalion received the LEOPARD on..." followed by nothing or something like on my last Post concerning the German LEOPARD 2A6M 80 were converted between 2004 and 2008. Based on nothing more and turning that into a simple math problem, Means 80 over 4yrs = 20 a yr. tells me the first Tank Company was likely equipped by OCT-DEC 2004 = DEC 2004 to allow for any unforeseen delays reported or not.

Sometimes that's all we can do and where later information does come out, that simple has fallen on the date within a couple of months, spot on or at worse within 6 months which is the "swag" Don and I have used for years. That being said and not every conversation on those matters appear in here, we fix it anyway which happened I believe at least twice last year.

I've built tanks faster and submitted them for the game then trying to find out when they actually were put into service.

Think about that for a moment and how many times we've had to do that over the years.

Also we get, OMG! They got their first xyz tank therefore they're at FOC!!! Or as we've dealt with over the last 2-3 yrs. legacy inherited equipment at FOC as prototypes.

Well at least hopefully, I'll have one tank to modify for the Patch as a diversion.

YAY TEAM!!

Will it ever stop!?!

Time to move on, there I said it.

EM-ME-JOES make me well, happy!

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Or trying to separate active vs reserve unit equipment. Does a reserve unit not having X piece of gear count as not being FOC?
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