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Old April 17th, 2007, 12:23 AM

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Default Wishing for an SC?

Is it ever worth it to wish for a pretender to use as an SC? Of course, "worth it" is relative, I know. But I wonder if people do this.

And if so, which one? I'm so impressed with the Aegis, and so the Gorgon seems like a winner. But that Cyclops looks pretty mighty. It's different from choosing a pretender because you can't optimize the magic paths, and I can't afford to go crazy empowering.
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Old April 17th, 2007, 12:26 AM

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Default Re: Wishing for an SC?

People often go for a Seraph don't they?

I've never even used Wish.
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Old April 17th, 2007, 12:28 AM
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Default Re: Wishing for an SC?

Try "Seraph". You'll probably like it.
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Old April 17th, 2007, 02:56 AM

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Default Re: Wishing for an SC?

If you are willing to blow the gems, empowering a creature until it can wish for Power can be very interesting.

That being said, there are several monsters that make mighty fine SCs. Get a Unitview map and check out the ones that look good.
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Old April 17th, 2007, 04:03 AM

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Default Re: Wishing for an SC?

I suppose you'd have to empower it to, what, S5? Starshine Skullcap + Ring of Sorcery + Ring of Wizardry + Robe of the Archmagi get you to S9. If you're willing to use the Dimensional Rod and The Forbidden Light (which both horror mark you IIRC) you'd only have to go to S3, since The Forbidden Light replaces a ring, unless you're using a creature with 3 misc slots like the Master Lich.

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Old April 17th, 2007, 09:57 AM

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Default Re: Wishing for an SC?

Woe, woe, woe. Yes, if I had all the gems in the world, I could do some interesting stuff. Like empower/wish up to a boosted S14 and then teleport around casting master enslave and vortex of returning per the ever expanding tome thread.

That would rule.

But sadly, I don't have infinite gems, so I'm just wondering if any being is out-of-the-box worth the 100 pearls. I mean many summons are 50 gems, so if there's a pretender or something twice as good, wish is not SUCH an outlandish price.

Wow, that seraph is something. I never would have thought of that. Marignon gets a better deal, but we can't all be Marignon. Now I wish I hadn't given the forbidden light to that djinn...
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Default Re: Wishing for an SC?

crone with cap+ring of wiz+ring of sorc+ring of wiz+ring of sorc can do it with astral 4. course thats capitalizing on the bug where you can double up on items as long as you have something in between.


also master enslave+vortex doesn't alwayws work (if your mage thinks they will win, given the troops they nabbed, they won't cast vortex.)
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Old April 17th, 2007, 12:31 PM

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Default Re: Wishing for an SC?

I grant that a crone or a master lich could wish for Power, but how effective would the resulting unit be? Relative to say a Cyclops, who has better stats out of the box (100 pearls really being all I want to spend here) than the crone after one or even two (or three?) wishes for power. (100 for crone, + empower from S0, + 100 more per Power wish (each subsequent one being only half effective). That's an awful lot of pearls).

Maybe wishing for a unit is so wasteful that it's not worth considering unless you're just messing around. But that seraph is tempting. And I'm still keen on the gorgon.
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I thought a given unit could only wish for power once ...
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Default Re: Wishing for an SC?

Nope, i think it has a slightly higher effect the first time though.
A seraph is a great unit to wish for with awe, flying, fireshield, 3 100% resistances, passive effect of eye shield, great basic stats and F4A4S4H4 when gift of reasoned. Also sacred.
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