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[Richard_H]

Class 169 – Ski SMG

Yugoslavia 62/63/64 and Croatia 55 are actually MMG teams. Suggest moving to Class 254 (Machinegun Team), which is not currently used by either oob.


Class 163 – Heavy Ski Troops

Switzerland 676-683 have Speed 7, all others have 6.
Sweden 92 & 93 have Load Cost 1, all others 0.
Yugoslavia 443 & 444 and Croatia 443 & 444 are SAM teams. I can see why it’s been done but these are the only oobs to make the distinction between Alpine & ‘ordinary’ infantry SAM teams. It’s not even as if they fit into an ‘Alpine Company’ formation, they are both stand-alones.


Class 162 – Ski Troops

Switzerland 666-672, speed as Class 163.

Richard H

[DRG]

Originally Posted by Richard_H

Unit Class 115 – Airmobile Section.

France 341 has an ISD of 1/82. However, formations do not appear until 1/86.

Richard H

The game only cares about formations. If the formation start date is correct that's all that really matters. If the unit is available earlier it's just an issue of tidyness

Don

[DRG]

I don't have time ATM to go through every one of these but they have been noted down and if I feel the need to comment I will sometime in the future but there will ALWAYS be variations in things like carry capacity to accommodate different nations unit set ups. It's simpler to increase a carry capacity by a couple of points than it is to tear apart units and formations to fit some "standard" carry capacity of a truck or a LVT or whatever. In real life issues like squad size vers a vehicles carry capacity can be dealt with by breaking up the squad but that cannot be done in the game so sometimes it is expeditious to fudge the numbers a bit to make the game work smoothly

[Richard_H]

Don

Quite understand the issue of fudging carry capacity. This is also why I haven't made any mention of differences in Radio%, Ammo loadouts or different weapons (unless they look really incongruous.

I can leave the issue of Lift Capacity alone if you'd prefer. After all, I used to think 13 tank riders was rather OTT until I saw the attached It has its title because I vowed that never again would I question tank riders!

One of the reasons I started this little exercise now was because I took note of your remark about looking at the oobs 'in a few weeks time'. So long as you're happy for me to keep churning stuff out in the interim . . . . (I must have worked through at least 30 classes out of the 250-odd so far, so I can't see a finish line before Christmas. Plus I'm going away for a couple of weeks, then packing up to move house, etc etc)

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Class 35 – Amphibian Tank

LVT(A) 1 – USA 177 has Lift Capacity 0, others have 13. Same unit has Rangefinder 2, others have 3.


Richard H

[Richard_H]

Rather than leave Lift Capacity entirely alone (it was a timely intervention as I've just been doing the 'Trucks and Transport' section), I've left it in either where the difference would mean an increase in capacity for the unit in question, or where I have checked against all relevant formations that they will not be affected (stand-alone prime movers etc).

Class 183 – Light Truck

Rhodesia 52 is armoured, all others unarmoured. It also has FC 1 (all others 0).
Switzerland 611, Albania 329 and Rhodesia 52 are armed, all others are not.
Saudi Arabia 252 is Size 4, all others 2 or 3.
Albania 329 has Crew 4, UK 287 & Rhodesia 52 have 3, all others 2.


Class 180 – Artillery Prime Mover

BTR-50PK - Egypt 581 has Lift Capacity 116, others have 118.

Komsolets - Poland 542, Russia 552, Czech 542, Hungary 542 – small point, but could the name be changed to ‘Komsomolets’ please? Czech 542 has Lift Capacity 116, others have 115.

Morris Quad - UK 570 has Survivability 2, others have 4.

MT-LB.
Poland 63, Iraq 541, E.Germany 591, Cuba 551, Angola 551, Sudan 546, N.Yemen 546 and Tanzania 551 have Crew 4, others have 2. I believe 2 is correct.

Russia 551, Iraq 541, Cuba 551, Angola 551, Sudan 546, N.Yemen 546, Ukraine 551 and Tanzania 551 have no Swim Speed, others have 2.

Russia 551 has Survivability 4, all others 3.

Of the armed versions, Hungary 63 and Bulgaria 586 have Rangefinder 1, others have 3.

“Prime Mover” – Finland 339 has Size 3, all others 4. Finland 339 and Ukraine 550 have Crew 2, all others 4.
Not getting into other differences, because they can always represent national variations. However Survivability 4 (Finland 339) strikes me as a bit high when others have 0 or 1. Finland is also the only one to have Load Cost 10 (others 12).
Ukraine 550 has Lift Capacity 115, which strikes me as low compared to all others (124-126).

“Truck” – All Size 3 except Poland 543 and N.Yemen 545, which are 4.
All Crew 2 except Algeria 590 (3) and N.Yemen 545 (4).
All Speed 18 except N.Yemen 545 (16).
All Survivability 0 except N.Yemen 545 (1).
All Lift Capacity 118 except N.Yemen 545 (130).
All Load Cost 12 except Algeria 590 (10).

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Class 167 – Snow Vehicle

Mechanical Mule – Turkey 199 has Lift Capacity 110, others 114.

Bv.202 – Finland 40 & Sweden 63 have Size 2 and Speed 13, Norway 58 & 60 have 4 and 16.
UK 296 appears to be a hybrid unit, but with more characteristics of the Bv.206.
Sweden 63 & 65 have Weight 11, all others 10.

Bv.206 – Norway 59 & W.Germany 382 have Size 4, others 3.
Sweden 64 & W.Germany 382 have Speed 17, others 16.
UK 296 & Canada 220 have Swim Speed 1, others 2.
Lift Capacity varies from 112 to 117. I believe that, with 2 crew, the correct figure is 114. Those with less than 114 are:- UK 296, Canada 220.
UK 296 & Canada 220 have Weight 10, Finland 42 has 14 (maybe because it’s armed?), all others 12.


Class 138 – Heavy Transport

I know these are only meant to be for scenario designers, but:-
Egypt 577, Poland 548, Syria 498, Israel 607, Japan 487, France 621, UK 572, Jordan 582, Iran 517, Russia 990, USA 977, USMC 997, China 601, Australia 611, Gulf 599, Iraq 542, India 553, N.Korea 910, S.Korea 341, Taiwan 500, NVA 381, Pakistan 287, Belgium 360, Netherlands 360, Norway 393, Canada 540, Greece 400, Turkey 198, Spain 360, Italy 234, Denmark 360, Czech 544, Hungary 544, Romania 451, Libya 597, Yugoslavia 608, Green 419, Red 445, W.Germany 506, Argentina 648, S.Africa 573, Switzerland 275, Saudi Arabia 597, Finland 343, Sweden 360, Sudan 605, UN 291 and Somalia 298 all have Speed 0. Others have 9.
Turkey 198 is Move Class 3, all others 2. It also has Lift Capacity 250, others have 255.
Jordan 582 & N.Korea 910 have Weight 15, all others 28.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Class 109 – Wagon

Belgium 469, Indonesia 303 and Malaysia 511 have Crew 4, others 2. They also have Lift Capacity 112, all others 118. Their Weight is 20, all others 15.
NVA 605 has Speed 6, all others 7.
Belgium 259 has Survivability 2; Argentina 511, Chile 511, Portugal 472 and Paraguay 511 have 4, all others 0.


Class 56 – Ammo Carrier.

Most Ammo Ships have a Lift Capacity of 250. ARVN 233, Netherlands 232, Turkey 206, Denmark 232, Yugoslavia 590, Bosnia 590, Croatia 590 and S.Yemen 233 have 0 Lift Capacity.

Canada 259 has Lift Capacity 110, all other M548 ammo carriers have 0.
Israel 373 and Norway 347 have Survivability 4, all other M548 have 3.

Italy 239 has Size 2, Crew 4, Speed 7, Weight 10; all other ammo mules have 4/2/6/12.

Red 444 has Lift Capacity 250, all other K61 munitions have 0.

Syria 594 has Size 2, all other ammo bunkers have 1.

Lebanon 239 has Size 1, all other ammo dumps have 2.

Poland 232 has Speed 18, all other ammo trucks have 15. NB: Poland, USA and Viet Cong all have 2 ammo trucks (230 & 232, 230 & 312 and 230 & 233 respectively). The only differences between them are for Poland Speed, for the USA Crew and for Viet Cong Radio%. And ISDs for all.
Japan 332, UK 389 and Australia 291 have Survivability 1, all other ammo trucks have 0.

Russia 232 has Speed 15, all other BTR munitions have 16. It also has Survivability 3 (Cuba 321 & Angola 321 have 2, Libya has 4). The standard survivability figure for BTR-50s in Class 25 is 4.
E.Germany 255 and Libya 322 have Lift Capacity 112, other BTR munitions have 0.
Indonesia 231 has no top armour, others have 1.

Russia 231 and Sweden 226 have Crew 2, other MT-LB munitions have 3. For Russia, may be because it is the only unarmed MT-LB ammo carrier.
Yugoslavia 592, Bosnia 592 and Croatia 592 have Survivability 1, Cuba 322 and Angola 322 have Survivability 2, other MT-LB munitions have 3.
Syria 241, Sweden 226 and Lebanon 237 have Lift Capacity 111, other MT-LB munitions have 0. All these also have FC 0, other armed MT-LB munitions have 1. Syria and Lebanon also have Rangefinder 0 (see below).
Iraq 321 and Angola 322 have Rangefinder 3, other armed MT-LB munitions have 1.

Turkey 203 is the only armoured wheeled Ammo Carrier.
Indonesia 231 has Size 4, all other armoured ammo carriers have 3.
ARVN 231 and Switzerland 236 have Crew 4, other armoured ammo carriers have 2.

Iran 206 has Speed 20, USA 232 and ARVN 231 have Speed 23, all other M113 carriers have 18. ARVN 231 also has Survivability 3, other similar have 4.


Class 48 – Barge Carriers

Italy 248 has Speed 12, all others have 9.
Spain 248 and Italy 248 are Move Class 3, all others either ‘Default’ or 2.

Richard H

[Richard_H]

Class 28 – Heavy Truck

I don’t know how standardised you want to be here, but IIRC I’ve heard Don mention something about not individualising trucks, so here goes:-

Austria 145 and Sweden 542 are the only 2 armoured Class 28s. They are not the only Class 28s in either oob.
Sweden 553 is the only armed heavy truck.
Bulgaria is the only oob without a heavy truck.
Sweden 555 has Size 3; USMC 60, Yugoslavia 526, Algeria 599, Bosnia 526, Chad 598, Saudi Arabia 256, Lebanon 598, UN 50 & 51 and Nicaragua 300 have Size 5, all others have Size 4. There’s a case for the UN vehicles because they are buses rather than trucks, but I’d be tempted to make them a different class (maybe 252, otherwise unused in UN) and a new formation.
Austria 64, S.Africa 266, Switzerland 601, 602 & 615, Angola 289 & 290, Cambodia 224 and UN 302 all have Crew 3; Yugoslavia 525 has Crew 4. All others have Crew 2.
Greece 701, Yugoslavia 526 and Bosnia 526 are Move Class 3, all others either ‘Default’ or 2.
Australia 257, Canada 184, Austria 64, Switzerland 614 & 616, Angola 289, Cambodia 224 and Malaysia 385 have Survivability 1; UN 50 & 51 have Survivability 2. All others have 0. Comments about the UN units as above.
Lift Capacities vary. 132 is the standard, but I certainly don’t have a problem with variations (That’s why I haven’t mentioned differences in speed). However, Croatia 526 & Switzerland 616 have Lift Capacity of 232 & 244 respectively. You may want to consider knocking them back to 132 & 144?
Weights also vary. Again, not a problem to me, because there’s nothing outstandingly OTT. However, Italy 230, Ethiopia 308 and Somalia 548 have Weight 9, and IIRC there’s a convention about all vehicles being minimum 10.


Class 27 – Medium Truck

Again, how much standardisation? I’ve left the units just called ‘Truck’ or ‘Medium Truck’ alone, but where there is more than 1 unit with a specific name I’ve gone for it. So for example:-

Uruguay 551 & Paraguay 571 are both a ‘Type 73’. The first has Size 3, the second 4.

GaZ-66 – Yugoslavia 523 is Size 4, others Size 3. It is also Weight 12, others 10.

Steyr – Uganda 40 has Speed 15, others 18. It also has Lift Capacity 117, others at least 118.
Greece 700 has Weight 10, others 12.

Bedford – Tanzania 40 has Crew 4, others 2. It also has Speed 15 (others 18) and Lift Capacity 115 (others 118).

Sweden 550 is a 30-cwt – maybe a bit small for this class?

Richard H

[Richard_H]

And finally for trucks and transport:

Class 26 – Utility Vehicle

2½ Ton Truck – Afghanistan 309 is Size 3, the standard for a Deuce and a Half is 4.

Bedford – Sudan 310 and Kenya 311 have Speed 15, standard is 18. Both also have Lift Capacity 115, standard is 118.

Bren Carrier – Egypt 226, UK 281, Netherlands 259, Denmark 225, Malaysia 51 & Uruguay 128 have Speed 18, others have 17. I believe 17 is correct.
India 217 and Pakistan 67 have Load Cost 0, others 10.
UK 281 and Denmark 225 have Lift Capacity 104, others 106.

Bernardini AM-IV – Argentina 309 is Move Class 4, others 3. It’s a wheeled vehicle. Brazil 309 has Survivability 2, others 0. It also has Hull Armour 1/1/1, others have 2/2/2.

BT-50 – Argentina 307 has Size 2, others 3.

BTR-40 – Algeria 328 has Crew 3, others 2.
Iraq 329 and Peru 307 have Survivability 3, others 4.
Red 82 and UN 304 have Lift Capacity 106, Algeria 328 has 107, others have 108. 108 is correct.

Civilian Car – Sweden 565 has Speed 14, others 20.

EE-12 – Brazil 308 has Survivability 1, Angola 314 has 0.

GaZ-69 – E.Germany 224 has Crew 3, Viet Cong 182 has Crew 4, all others 2.
Red 79 & Poland 432 have Survivability 1, others 0.
Viet Cong 182 has Lift Capacity 104, others 106.

GaZ-3937 – Russia 241 has Survivability 4, Red 81 has 2, others 0.

HMMWV – Poland 921, China 55 & Tanzania 316 have Crew 3, all others 2.
USMC 71 is the only armoured HMMWV to have Survivability 0, others have 2.
Yugoslavia 522 has FC 1 and Rangefinder 1, others 0.

Iveco LMV – Norway 345 has Lift Capacity 104, others 109.

Jeep – Switzerland 715 has Crew 1, Viet Cong 181 has 4, all others have 2.
Belgium 251 has Speed 26, Argentina 306 has 25, Switzerland 715 has 20, all others 24.
Canada 201 has Survivability 1, others 0.
Viet Cong 181 has Lift Capacity 104, Somalia 312 has 108, all others 106.
USMC 66, Belgium 251 & Spain 189 have Weight 9, all others 10.

Land Rover – Cyprus 281 has Speed 28, all others 24.
Switzerland 46 has Crew 1, others 2.
Australia 254, Kenya 313 and Malaysia 52 have Survivability 1, all others 0.
Somalia 313 has Lift Capacity 108, others 106.

Light Truck – Size varies – up to oob 38 always 2, then mostly 3. Too much hassle to change. However:-
Nigeria 310, Somalia 311 & Uganda 310 have Size 4 – surely too much?
Somalia 311 has Crew 6, others 2.
Nigeria 310 & Somalia 311 have Speed 18, others 20.
Iraq 325, Green 307, Nigeria 310 & Portugal 592 have Lift Capacity 110, N.Korea 222 has 106, Somalia 311 has 108, all others have 112.
N.Korea 222 has Weight 5, Cuba 310, Algeria 326, Nigeria 310, Kenya 310, Somalia 311 & Uganda 310 have 12, all others 10.

Medium Truck – Libya 326, Albania 326 & S.Yemen 311 have Size 4, others 3.
Gulf 311 is Move Class 3, all others 2.

Mercedes-Benz – Norway 338, although m/g-armed, has RoF 0.
Norway 341 & Denmark 240 have Speed 24, other MB 240/290 have 29.

Puch Haflinger – Austria 67 has Crew 2, Switzerland 60 has 1.

Sufa M-240 (Israel 342) is the only Size 1 vehicle.

Type 95 – NVA 238 has Crew 2, Viet Cong 180 has 4.
Indonesia 308 has Lift Capacity 6, others 108. All have Weight 5.

UAZ-469 – E.Germany 712 & Mozambique 11 have Crew 1, others 2. E.Germany 712 also has Speed 26, others 24.
E.Germany 712, Czech 432, Hungary 432, Red 80, Cuba 311, Slovakia 217, Albania 327, Nigeria 312, Eritrea 312, Ukraine 239, Tanzania 312 & Uganda 312 have Survivability 1, others 0.

Unimog – Peru 310 has Lift Capacity 110, others 113.

Xingo BT-25 – Brazil 306 has Speed 26, others 25.

General – Hungary 431 & Green 618/619/620 have Survivability 1, similar others 0. (Not sure why Green has 3 all with the same stats, the only difference is the icon).
Switzerland 865 has Weight 2.

Richard H