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Old December 10th, 2011, 05:14 AM
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Don,
Alright here's what I've got thus far on Indias ARJUN. Will add it to the top of the list as we discussed in our last couple of PM's concerning the OPLOT issue to finish the year with or start with for next year. It looks like the JAN 2012 date for UNIT 022 (MK II) came from Page #8, Post #75 Item #2, which is gone now because the BROADSWORD site was updated. The intro is still there but the IMOD article itself is what contained the 2012 date. However what I need to nail down now is whether a better date isn't JUN 2013 or JAN 2015 from newer updated articles. Though within our "swag" as discussed previously concerning date changes UNIT 021 (MK I+) w/LAHAT might benefit from a JAN 2010-Jun 2010 date change however, for sure the "Ceramic tile" ERA will need to be added for both units above and since we're on topic the Turkish M-60T also, though I know for sure it used the same "tile" ERA as the latest MERK IV though even some refs already posted thought it might be the same as used on the newer MERK4b (I don't see it.) which has a newer more effective variant on it. So the bottom line, carry on with yours, I'll stop with the Helos and get back to this and the other land vehicles as discussed and have it ready for late "production". The list can be taken ALA' CARTE as you see fit. Jets... will a be now a project definitly for next year. The bomber issue (And other types.) must be addressed with the pods now carried over the last handful of years as the target aquistion aspects cannot be ignored.

And to keep my word that when I saw something break on this topic...
http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57

Well like Elmer Fudd, I guess I'll be going down that "rabbit hole" again to hunt those "wascally wabbits"!?!
Good Night!

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Old December 10th, 2011, 06:55 AM
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All this is just "suppposed" pipe dreams if they have money thing.
Is getting boring, until it's actual purchashing of those things ,Show the proof or shut up!
I mean i could claim I am an Iraqi bomber pilot,and have B-2 bomber with nukes ready,would you bealive it?

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Old December 10th, 2011, 01:38 PM
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If the last was directed towards my views 1. Don't read them. 2. The bomber issue has been discussed going back now for 2 years at least with the person(s) responsible for making the decisions around here. I have been unable to to post them because priority is given to armor, arty, helos then aircraft since that's really game priority here, though I know all inputs are encouraged. 3. Those bombers have had this equipment for longer then when I first raised the question by years. 4. The economics are affecting the game, see the last patch post for the Dutch tank situation, the countries in the game already assigned the F-35 that might not not see them because of the clamour to get in these planes (And other equipment.) before they're even off the drawing board and the realities of the actual production cycle as driven in most cases as much by developmental issues as economic ones. And let's not forget the armor fire sale going on in Europe and trying to track where it's going, again, as noted above by example. My window for adding equipment as agreed upon is within a 2 year window of expected operational status based on refs as always provided. Like the CM arty issue a while back I guess I need to "provide a taste" of the refs sitting in my favorites so in a sense I'll have put up and now... well I'll leave that part to your imagination. And this on my workday "Friday" - thanks for that!

1. Look under features:
http://www.af.mil/information/factsh...et.asp?fsID=83

2. Don't know if this can be game supported or not, but am following development.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/news123198.html

3. Watch one of the videos to the right, one shows a cockpit display from 25NM out from the target yet it appears the pilot is on short approach to it. In the last note the table at bottom.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/produc...per/index.html
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...the-mark-0562/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...itions/atp.htm


I can "put up" more if you want. By the way, though the shift in the USAF is towards the SNIPER the B-52 flies with the advanced LITENING Pod primarily. Oops one more, where do they all come from!?!
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-Orders-06614/
Look at everyone who has them.
Have to go to work, have a great weekend!

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The B-52's in the game already enjoy a subsantial EW bonus though not to the Level of the B-1 or B-2

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If given the opportunity in the next 1 1/2 months I would like to put this issue to bed. Please refer to Post #158, if anyone has a legitimate source i.e. well respected major newspaper or military/defence websites showing that the Ukraine is going to or have shipped these tanks to Ethiopia please let me know in this thread. I will not entertain Wiki type or Blog site information. My hope is that something will or did pop up in Europe that I missed. Thank you in advance.

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If given the opportunity in the next 1 1/2 months I would like to put this issue to bed. Please refer to Post #158, if anyone has a legitimate source i.e. well respected major newspaper or military/defence websites showing that the Ukraine is going to or have shipped these tanks to Ethiopia please let me know in this thread. I will not entertain Wiki type or Blog site information. My hope is that something will or did pop up in Europe that I missed. Thank you in advance.
BBC confirms it in Ukrainian: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/news/...tanks_rl.shtml

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dnmt,
Thank you but, I already have several refs dealing with the signing of the contracts which are included in the post already submitted. The piracy incident in Somalia occurred many years ago in the first shipment of T-72 tanks, but have nothing to do with the tanks in question now which are of a much more recent level of modification for the T-72. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS THOUGH.

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Ooooh Canada...! A little help with the words here please...anyway Canada continues to attempt to corner the market on the LEOs with a slight twist though. Also this answers the question as to what happened to most of the Swiss LEOs RHEINMETALL bought. A good read on Canada's recent move towards heavy armor and the LEO. Looks also like more LEO 2A4M CANs are finally going to get done from the former Dutch 2A4 tanks bought by Canada. We got these in just last year and it is one of the better 2A4 upgraded tanks out there and are battle tested as well.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...reports-canada

Watch Asia for LEO developments along with parts of Africa.

Also in the house cleaning mode this came up a couple of months ago and it looks like the upgrades are good in the game but I believe Don needed a new icon and updated picture. Here's the article for those following the UK WARRIOR progress.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-Upgrade-05967/

RHIENMETALL DM-11 for ABRAMS.
http://www.defpro.com/news/details/28611/

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You know who you are and this was the quickest way to answer, dinner in T(-)5mikes. Everyone this is good info.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...ly-2011-06975/
Look to all the follow on articles.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...or-Iraq-05013/
Look at OCT 14/10 AND 26/09. All you seek is here. I know you look in best I can do on short notice hope this is useful to you and others. A bit of mystrey is always fun!?!

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Well if I were a betting man I'd say the F-35 has a better chance to get into the game now than the Indian FMBT. ALTAY and K2 should be fine especially in the case of the latter. ARJUN MKII as is the new Turkish LEO-2T, represent the final bridge to reach those goals for their respective countries. It does not however help the Indian cause that we're not likely to see the ARJUN MKII before JUN. 2013 or JAN. 2014 vice the current game start date as based on the best info we had at the time of submission. Delay the test bed you delay everything after it. So with all this in mind here's the latest on FMBT due in 2018 but NOW POSSIBLY 2020 OR OUT.
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2012/...hers-over.html
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2012/...in-battle.html


And maybe the civilians can do it better, a most unusual tank design contest. Maybe I'll give it a shot...
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2012/...challenge.html

On the bright side it might be the first new tank for SPMBT BEYOND 2020 AND TO INFINITY!, yeah it is a rather long name, isn't it!?!

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