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Old January 30th, 2009, 08:17 PM

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Default Polish OOB question

In the Polish 1939 OOB under the various airstrikes are planes armed with Myszka bombs which are listed as cluster bomb types. My question is can anyone provide me with a link to some more information on this weapon? In game terms it seems fairly effective.

I have found a link on the Polish version of wikipedia that I think is about this weapon...

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myszka_lotnicza_nr_2
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Old January 31st, 2009, 01:07 AM
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When they were put in I was provided with a Polish site giving info but that was lost with a HD crash a year ago

That wiki article translates ( badly ) to

Air Mouse 2 - German bomb debris wagomiaru 1 kg. Large quantities of these bombs zdobyto to calm at the time of the creation of Wielkopolska Poznan Ławica airport and were then used by the Polish air force. Myszka No. 2 airline had cylindrical shell filled with spherical bottom lanym trotyl or pikrynowym acid. In the top of the screw was a bomb detonator and weighing 0.37 kg protected tab (zawleczki were manually removed prior to take-off aircraft). Bomba was transferred in the form of cassettes bombowych box. In the second half of the 30 Air Mouse 2 has been replaced by the built in mouse wz. 34.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 07:30 AM

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Default Re: Polish OOB question

From my little ability to read Polish on basis of its similarity to Czech, it seems it was originally a WWI German frag bomblet dispenser or cluster bomb, upgraded later by Poland.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 09:54 AM
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Here's a further badly machine translated explanation of the weapon. Ten 1 kg bombs per "package" and it looks like 12 "packages" were carried but IDK for certain. If Blazej Ciepluch sees this perhaps he can dig up the polish sites he provided me with a couple years back. It *may* be this was either only used in very small numbers or never made it to production at all but it's a moot point really as there weren't many aircraft capable of carrying them after the first few days

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Air Mouse T wz. 34 (wz bomb. T-34) - Polish bomb debris wagomiaru 1 kg. It was constructed by the master as a successor to Nicholas Tarnowski poniemieckiej mouse No. 2 Mouse wz. 34 was designed with the understanding that, if necessary, will be manufactured in small factories mechanical. Therefore, construction of the bombs was based on a section of gas pipe with a diameter of 1 inch. One end of metal pipe wspawywano bottom, and then zawalcowywano fin with three brzechwami. The other end was threaded pipe. After topionym trotyl elaboracji bombs or acid pikrynowym thread covered kitem kaolinowym (elaborowane trotyl bombs) or kitem kauczukowym (pikrynowym bombs elaborowane acid) and a simple screw igniter with a striking immediately. Bombs were slung on wyrzutnikach horizontal Świąteckiego SW 12x10 in packs containing 10 mice. Cassette was discharged with myszkami, and bombs fall out of it already in the air.
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Try this

http://www.wojsko18-39.internetdsl.p...bombylotn.html

or do a google search with

"T wz. 34"

and you find that website and be able to translate

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Thanks for the information. Seems like a similar concept to the 'Molotov Breadbasket' type bomb that Russia used in Finland. I played a test game against Germany last night as Poland and gave myself 4 flights. En masse those bombs are fairly effective especially against trucks and the like. Alot better than those 25kg fire crackers that are carried by other planes at the time.
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Polish AT-Rifle "7.92 kb.Ur.wz35" is available incorrectly as AT-Team since January 1930, and to infantry squads since 1936.
The batch production started in 1938 and it was a secret until July 1939, when it was distributed.
Regarding the name "7.92 kb.Ur wz35" is much better, as "Ur" is not an abbreviation and doesn't need a dot, (or even better "kb. wz.35 Ur").
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I've put this on the list to check. Some weapons ( and vehicles )were pushed back to 1930 when we expanded the OOB's years ago that should not have been and we have fixed most of them but some have slipped through.

Are you aware of any other ATR's that may have been used before this weapon ?

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I've put this on the list to check.
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Are you aware of any other ATR's that may have been used before this weapon?
I was also curious of that, and I'm sure there was no official AT-Rifle prior to Ur.
In AT role there was in use a 37mm AT-Gun licensed from Bofors.
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OK, thanks

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