.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

The Star & the Crescent- Save $7.00
War Plan Pacific - Save $6.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Shrapnel Community > Space Empires: IV & V

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old September 12th, 2010, 11:48 AM
DarkHorse's Avatar

DarkHorse DarkHorse is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: U.S.A
Posts: 311
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
DarkHorse is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

Quote:
The odds are there might be a viable successor to the SE games, but there won't ever be any further development of existing, or hope for any new, SE franchise games
Worse, they made a Facebook game out of it
__________________
Vogon ships are yellow chunky slablike somethings, huge as office buildings, silent as birds. They hang in the air in much the same way that bricks don't.
(R.I.P. Douglas Adams)

-War is peace -Freedom is slavery -Ignorance is strength

In peace there's nothing so becomes a man as modest stillness and humility.
- W. Shakespeare (Henry V)
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old September 13th, 2010, 10:16 AM
Gandalf Parker's Avatar

Gandalf Parker Gandalf Parker is offline
Shrapnel Fanatic
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vacaville, CA, USA
Posts: 13,736
Thanks: 341
Thanked 479 Times in 326 Posts
Gandalf Parker is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

And not a very good FaceBook game either. It appears to be a game shell used for many of the FB games which has strained itself to seem to be Space Empires themed. But it doesnt feel like an SE game.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old September 14th, 2010, 12:47 PM

jRides jRides is offline
Private
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 9
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
jRides is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

I had no idea Aaron had been barred from developing Space Empires. I actually thought that his new ground combat game was him developing ground combat for the next SE incarnation.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old September 14th, 2010, 01:15 PM
Gandalf Parker's Avatar

Gandalf Parker Gandalf Parker is offline
Shrapnel Fanatic
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vacaville, CA, USA
Posts: 13,736
Thanks: 341
Thanked 479 Times in 326 Posts
Gandalf Parker is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

Barred? Thats news to me.
I guess I do remember something about him selling the game to Strategy First.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old September 15th, 2010, 01:02 PM

jRides jRides is offline
Private
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 9
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
jRides is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

It was news to me too, Gandalf. I was just going by what Black Knight posted on the first page of this thread (post 20);

Quote:
Secondly, and more importantly, selling off the franchise to Strategy First was a catastrophic mistake, and a costly one to Aaron personally. They even went so far as to have barred him contractually from working on another 4x space game for quite some time, and then all but abandoned any further development or support for SE5.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to jRides For This Useful Post:
  #26  
Old September 16th, 2010, 10:59 AM
Azselendor's Avatar

Azselendor Azselendor is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Gettysburg Sector
Posts: 785
Thanks: 6
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Azselendor is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

Strategy First turned space empires into farmville

And it sucks!
__________________
Links > Space EmpiresOrlando Pest Control
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old September 19th, 2010, 10:30 PM
Ironmanbc's Avatar

Ironmanbc Ironmanbc is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kingston, Ontario
Posts: 289
Thanks: 1
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Ironmanbc is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

Financial difficulties

On March 12, 2009 Strategy First's parent company Silverstar Holdings Ltd was formally delisted from the NASDAQ market after failing to meet a timeline extension to become compliant with NASDAQ Marketplace Rules, specifically they "had not regained compliance with the stockholders’ equity requirement"[10]. The final statements publicly published by Silverstar were for the period ending December 31, 2008, filed on February 20, 2009[11]. In these statements, Silverstar indicated that Strategy First revenues were minimal for the three months ended December 31, 2008 ("about $400,000" out of revenues of $8.7 million), with the bulk of revenues coming from the Empire Interactive division. Silverstar's total loss for this period was $3.4 million. As of December 31st 2008 Silverstar reports current assets of about $4 million versus liabilities of $17 million. Accounts Payable and Royalties Payable totaled $4.3 million, versus only $422,000 in available cash. In their management review Silverstar states "These factors raise substantial doubt about the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern. Since June 2008, the Company has been seeking to raise additional capital in the form of both debt and equity; to this point with no success. The results of the quarter ended December 31, 2008 have further impacted the Company’s liquidity position and without a very short-term solution to this lack of liquidity, there is substantial doubt about the Company’s ongoing viability."

Subsequent to the SEC 10-Q filing, Silverstar reported that on May 1st 2009 their Empire Interactive division filed for "administration" (bankruptcy) in the UK, and that "Empire has sold its intellectual property assets to New World IP, LLC ",[12] and all 49 staff were laid off.[13] New World IP then leased the rights to publish Empire's entire catalogue to Zoo Games.[14]

Additionally, Silverstar has reported that it is in default on its repayments on both its 2008 and 2006 Debentures

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_First
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old September 19th, 2010, 11:36 PM

dumbluck dumbluck is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: iola, ks, usa
Posts: 1,319
Thanks: 3
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
dumbluck is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

heh. if SF is that desperate for cash, maybe Aaron can buy the rights to SE back with the change in his pocket... :P
__________________
dumbluck
CEO, Fortuitous Investments, Inc.
Author: The Belanai Story
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old September 20th, 2010, 08:23 AM
Gandalf Parker's Avatar

Gandalf Parker Gandalf Parker is offline
Shrapnel Fanatic
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vacaville, CA, USA
Posts: 13,736
Thanks: 341
Thanked 479 Times in 326 Posts
Gandalf Parker is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

And again we see some of the pros and cons of the big boys business plan vs someone like Shrapnel who was created by an independent developer specifically to give other options to independents. The marketing/shelfware version vs the publicity/distribution version.

[rant mode on]
The M/S version requires too much cash paid out ahead of time. That can mean advance payments for developers and big payback (eventually), and large sales audience, and games that go in bargain bins like some people keep harping about in the other Shrapnel forums. But it also means large debt to the distrib company which must be paid back before profit checks appear, sometimes 1 or 2 years. Also tends toward much more distributor control setting deadlines on the developers to finish the game in order to meet the advance advertising, setting DRM standards, setting prices, and of course buying the future rights. AND the possibility of total losses before the developer ever sees any profits. Possibly with a still outstanding debt that must be paid back.

The publicity/distrib version requires almost no advance money being laid out. The game gets covered in every online gaming magazine, blog, newsgroup, etc. The profits are quick, easily tracked by both parties so no hard feelings over questionable incomes, and the developer sees checks quickly. And because there is no gambling with advanced funds this model supports independents that otherwise wouldnt be touched by the big boys.

So for those who continually want to tell Shrapnel what they should be doing like the big boys do it so you can hope for bargain bin copies later, remember that everything has its pros and cons.
[/rant off]
__________________
-- DISCLAIMER:
This game is NOT suitable for students, interns, apprentices, or anyone else who is expected to pass tests on a regular basis. Do not think about strategies while operating heavy machinery. Before beginning this game make arrangements for someone to check on you daily. If you find that your game has continued for more than 36 hours straight then you should consult a physician immediately (Do NOT show him the game!)
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old September 21st, 2010, 12:50 AM
Azselendor's Avatar

Azselendor Azselendor is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Gettysburg Sector
Posts: 785
Thanks: 6
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Azselendor is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Did Space Empires V kill Space Empires?

To imply that it's the Microsoft model is a bit wrong. If you look, Microsoft only throws its money into games that print money (looking at you Halo), companies like activision, ea games, etc. tend to take on semi-safe bets while others yet take biggest risks. Just look at the quagmire that is Duke Nukem Forever.

The current model in game publishing seems to be very similar to that of the music, movie and book industries at times, which works sometimes and other times it doesn't. Just imagine how much money was pissed away in Tommy Wisaeu's "The Room" or on any SyFy original movie.

I think shrapnel's model is fantastic for what it does and hopefully can only bring them greater success.
__________________
Links > Space EmpiresOrlando Pest Control
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2017, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.