Give me good reasons why R'lyeh is a balanced nation.

[Argitoth]

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:

3) Cast swarm, and interrupt the mindbLasters with dragonflies, forcing them into melee. You can even curse them first, so even dragonfly bites will cause problems...

Damn good idea!

Originally posted by Saber Cherry:

These are some pretty simple solutions. The best is probably crossbows, but you seem to have discounted that already.

Crossbows are too expensive and hard to find a high resource province with them, so it's a very rare option.


ok and MAYBE i was arguitive at first, but I definitely wasn't wining.

[ February 03, 2004, 06:02: Message edited by: Argitoth ]

[Argitoth]

arguitive is not a word...

[Argitoth]

Originally posted by Zen:

If I could stand you IM'ing the hell out of me and complaining how someone was taking a turn over 5 minutes I might play you again, but I'm just flawed in the fact I can't. Which I admit is just a paitence thing I don't have anymore.

That was Last year... I'm a lot more mature now. Zen is never going to forgive me for that.

[ February 03, 2004, 06:10: Message edited by: Argitoth ]

[Arryn]

Originally posted by Argitoth:
I'm a lot more mature now.

(obvious and almost irresistable comeback ... and flame ... deleted)

[ February 03, 2004, 06:18: Message edited by: Arryn ]

[Argitoth]

Originally posted by Arryn:

quote:

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Originally posted by Argitoth:
I'm a lot more mature now.

You are? It's so hard to see that ...

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Maturity comes with admitting you are immature. ANYWAY ANYWAY, not important. This thread is over, my questions have been answered, everyone got a little flaming done, it's all good.

[Saxon]

Money. They are expensive beyond belief and I have always had a rough time getting together a decent sized force. Any defeat or losses were particularly hard to recover from as most of your eggs are in one basket. Also, the lower average size of the armies meant that the mind bLasters were more likely to be hit by spells.

They are an “archer” nation if you focus on the mind bLasters. If your opponent gets tritons, which are cheap, they can easily swarm your archers. While they are keeping the bLasters busy, the rest of the army walks up to striking range.

Numbers of cannon fodder will swarm them, even if they are not flying. While powerful, the mind bLast only hits one unit a turn. If I faced large numbers of enemy, they would often swarm me. If they had high moral or could go bezerk, it was worse, they would hardly rout. Man proved particularly troublesome. Some of their big units needed more than one mind bLast to take them down, allowing them to get closer to me.

Tied to this is the food situation. You need to concentrate your forces to counter the risk of being over run by cannon fodder, which then concentrates your food needs. I found a lot of my guys would get ailments at some point, as “Starving” Messages were common.

The Gate is a big lottery ticket, you can not count on it. You might get some great stuff or you might get eaten or you might get some immobile units.

Finally, I have to agree with chiset. Argioth, you need to explain why you think this nation is unbalanced. Right now this is a one sided argument, which will not work. You are making a claim, stating things are imbalanced, but you offer no proof. You demand that we supply proof that you are wrong, but do not offer proof you are right.

You have created a situation which is very friendly to you, but not to others. It makes it impossible for you to “lose” and excludes competing points of view. It is probable that you will find that if you create a more balanced situation, you will get friendlier replies to it. It is also probable that if you continue offering arguments on these terms, you will also continue receiving less than warm replies. Just as balance is important in Dominions, it is in human interaction.

[Argitoth]

yep yep, i see what you are saying. can't disagree with you.

but actually I did provide some info on why I thought the nation was unbalanced, but that was after I got suggestions.

[void]

Originally posted by Argitoth:
Even when I massed archers that one time playing R'lyeh, all he did was mindbLast them. It was probably 75 archers against 30 mind bLasters with 16 protection.

Archers just got paralyzed.

Lets calculate by a simple way: Gold Cost.
75 indy archers, no matter which type you bought,worth 75*8=600 gold.
30 mind bLasters, lets say the basic illithid, worth 1500 gold.
now,ignore everything else, how can you compare this with that,600g with 1500g?
you should try 1500/8=187 archers vs. 30 illithids and you'll found that squidfaces cannot destroy your troops before they overloaded.
It's a addlepated way to calculate. but it's enough to explain a question stupid more.


Against Squidface?
Take your time in the "Atlantis strategy" thread,you'll found that they are friable beings.

[Sammual]

Arg,
Squid-heads die quickly to all undead forces, large numbers of ranged units, flying units, and mindless constructs.
Defending against them is easy if you have a prov def that has more than one unit per point (Anything other than the Giants I believe). Just add 1 commander and 10 ranged units of any kind and they will get hurt badly even if they do win.

Sammual

[Gandalf Parker]

Everyone always Posts at some time that xxxx is unbalanced. Its usually when they have gotten good enough with that nation to always beat the AI. Such as Ermor being unbalanced until they play against a good human marignon player. Or Ulm being unbalanced until they play against a good human Arcos player.

In the case of Rlyeh Id say try playing against Rlyeh AI using Pangaea Carrion Woods theme.

Arent you the one who tried to challenge everyone to beat your perfect strategy. Is this a troll to get challengers?

[ February 03, 2004, 13:11: Message edited by: Gandalf Parker ]