.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

BCT Commander- Save $8.00
winSPWW2- Save $5.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Illwinter Game Design > Dominions 2: The Ascension Wars

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old August 24th, 2006, 03:29 PM
Graeme Dice's Avatar

Graeme Dice Graeme Dice is offline
General
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,013
Thanks: 17
Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts
Graeme Dice is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

Quote:
KissBlade said:
And 20 temples = 4000 gold, if you spent 4000 gold on temples, not only is your dominion going to be higher than six, you'll be massively underfunded in battle mages of which I will use to raze all 20 of those temples to the ground.
The number of temples you have only affects your maximum dominion strength and the number of holy troops you can recruit. The probability that dominion will spread from a temple is set at pretender creation and never changes. You also seriously underestimated the amount of gold I'd spend, since every temple would also have a castle built before the temple goes up. Which is why I wouldn't be particularly worried about raiding parties killing temples.

Quote:
Furthermore I attempted to make the Ghost King you mentioned and came up several points short.
Then you had better turn off your mods. Or get rid of a couple of levels of magic, since he's got way more than he would need anyways.

I'm still waiting to see how you would spend an extra 80 points in a manner that would completely crush such a pretender, which already has the optimum scales for C'Tis in the unmodded game.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old August 24th, 2006, 05:04 PM
KissBlade's Avatar

KissBlade KissBlade is offline
Major
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,055
Thanks: 4
Thanked 29 Times in 13 Posts
KissBlade is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

I don't play unmodded since then I'd change my scales (since you have A LOT more points to play with from unmodded) and probably be willing to pump dominion up a bit. Also unless you're talking about late game, I can't even fantom how you'll get the time to amass that much extra gold for castles and temples in any MP game. Considering you're talking about the cost of well over 20 extra mages had I not sunk the resources in them. And in terms of crushing your pretender, I'll be perfectly willing to duel you anytime.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old August 25th, 2006, 06:07 AM
Agrajag's Avatar

Agrajag Agrajag is offline
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Israel
Posts: 1,449
Thanks: 4
Thanked 8 Times in 2 Posts
Agrajag is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

If you two play a game against each other, please make sure to save all of your saves, I'm sure everyone would like to see how this one turns out
My guess is Graeme will win, because I agree with him that dominion-3 is suicide.

And KissBlade, if he builds 20 temples, and you spend the same amount of money on mages, than you built absolutely no temples - you'll be gone before you know it.
__________________
I'm in the IDF. (So any new reply by me is a very rare event.)
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old August 25th, 2006, 03:12 PM

Saxon Saxon is offline
Captain
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Nairobi, Kenya
Posts: 901
Thanks: 4
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Saxon is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

Whoever is ahead in dominion is also going to win more battles and, depending on scales, be racking up other assorted bonuses. It always seems like a small thing, but the extra production or magic or morale on every province or unit adds up. Then, once the higher levels are reached, there are various globals which are directly tide to dominion. If I am just a couple of % ahead of you each turn, by the end of 40 turns I have a big lead.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old August 25th, 2006, 08:05 PM

quantum_mechani quantum_mechani is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Alaska
Posts: 2,968
Thanks: 24
Thanked 221 Times in 46 Posts
quantum_mechani is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

Very low dominion is hardly suicidal, particularly if you have mage-priests. I have only ever dominion died twice that I can remember- once as Atlantis totally surrounded by Ermor dom 10 temples, once as Mictlan when the possibilty of it just slipped my mind.

Mictlan is actually the perfect illustration of why dominion is not all that important, they considered are one of the best nations, yet most of the time most of your provinces won't even have your dominion.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old August 25th, 2006, 09:23 PM
Gandalf Parker's Avatar

Gandalf Parker Gandalf Parker is offline
Shrapnel Fanatic
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vacaville, CA, USA
Posts: 13,736
Thanks: 341
Thanked 479 Times in 326 Posts
Gandalf Parker is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

Ive purposely played with low dominion. With a stealth race like Pangaea it can help hide you for a few turns longer.
__________________
-- DISCLAIMER:
This game is NOT suitable for students, interns, apprentices, or anyone else who is expected to pass tests on a regular basis. Do not think about strategies while operating heavy machinery. Before beginning this game make arrangements for someone to check on you daily. If you find that your game has continued for more than 36 hours straight then you should consult a physician immediately (Do NOT show him the game!)
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old August 25th, 2006, 10:19 PM
KissBlade's Avatar

KissBlade KissBlade is offline
Major
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,055
Thanks: 4
Thanked 29 Times in 13 Posts
KissBlade is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

Quote:
Gandalf Parker said:
Ive purposely played with low dominion. With a stealth race like Pangaea it can help hide you for a few turns longer.
LoL, reminds me of the game Qm picked dom ONE and simply took advantage of Pan's 100 gold temples XD.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old August 29th, 2006, 03:35 AM

Frostmourne27 Frostmourne27 is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 299
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Frostmourne27 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

Interesting. Against the AI, I allways take dominion of at least four (I consider that to be VERY low) and usually take six or seven. I find that that allows me to forget about temples for the early part of the game, and lets me spread a bit of dominion around my teritory, though I've yet to crush anybody without taking a higher dominion or something sneaky (skeptics, stealth preaching, restless worshipers etc). IMHO dominion above seven is useful only as a pop-killing theme, anyone building lots of sacreds, if you KNOW you're fighting pop-killing dominion or other really high dominion, or to dominion kill your opponents. When I play a water nation, I often take a higher than average dominion too, as I find that water nations have rapidly fluctiating dominion, thats either really strong, or really low, and if I'm not paying attention I can easily end up in dire straits, having to scramble madly to avoid the inogmonious lost to the easy AI that took dominion strength 10.
__________________
Qui tacet consentit
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old August 29th, 2006, 08:22 AM

shovah shovah is offline
Colonel
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,606
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
shovah is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

With water nations, when possible i also try to take ceremonial faith, it lets rlyeh have decent preachng defence and atlantis have it very strong.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old August 29th, 2006, 05:32 PM

Frostmourne27 Frostmourne27 is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 299
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Frostmourne27 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: How to successfully utilize your \"Dominion Wal

That might work, but I almost allways take turmoil and luck, so I can't (you need order for ceremonial faith don't you?) I find that turmoil gives me more gems, and that turmoil 3/luck 3 is about the same as order 0 no luck. It's alos easier to get those nice underwater heroes... btw, just how strong is ceremonial faith? It's double or something isn't it?
__________________
Qui tacet consentit
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.