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Old January 12th, 2009, 11:05 PM
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Okay I can see I should have clarified the Panther gun is top dog out of the 4 tanks I looked at not the top dog gun bar none. So reacting with grief was a bit extreme
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I'm sure you know well that there are better German guns than what you listed, though those are very good. Don't make the mistake of thinking the 88 on the Tiger is a real good one, because the KTiger, Nashorn, Elefant, AFV's all carry the 88L71, quite a bit better than the 88L56 of the Tiger, and quite a bit better than the 75L70 I think it is of the Panther's, JPZIVL's etc. The 88L71 combines the best punch, range, and accuracy of any gun. I guess the 128L56 is close, but isn't as accurate and the ammo is limited.
Ignoring "best" results where the WH size adds extra (and are not there to bet the farm on) - the 88L71 and the 128kwk are both reliably producing 18 at 1400m (but both 20 at 1100, though 18 for the 88 and 20 for the 128 then till 1400) . Then the 88 starts to fall off more noticeably. So marginal over 1000, about the same under it, and real advantage to the 128 only starts at 1400.

A specialist gun for plinking Stalins at the longer ranges. I would prefer a straight Tiger 2 over Jagtigers in 97% of all cases. More stored kills.

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I suppose the info you just related is history and not game data correct? Because I had no idea the game would have guns declining in accuracy at different ranges unless one had longer range than the other. IOW, all 40 range guns would lose the same percentage from the highest accuracy, if they shot at the same hex. For example two guns of 40 range, fire at hexes 20 away. They both lose perhaps 40% accuracy, despite what their accuracy rating is. The one with the higher accuracy will always fire more accuractely, but they both lose the same percentage when they have the same maximum range. A range 50 gun, would lose less of a percentage than those two at hex 20.
Oh my goodnes Andy was talking about the game! I don't know how I didn't see it before, and for some reason I thought he was talking about guns with the same range. If my choice is between a gun with 50 AP rounds and one with 20, and their peformance is quite similar, especially against all but the super tank, as indeed the 88L71 is, then the 88 is my choice. Good to have an 128 or two for the uber-tanks though. Apparently Andy's thoughts exactly.

Does anybody know what range a gun's accuracy is stated for? The mid-range for the gun? I always thought (a guess) it was a muliple in a formula, such that the stated accuracy was that gun at range zero, but with what Andy did I don't think that's the case anymore.
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