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Old May 13th, 2008, 02:03 PM
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96. unit 302, 658, 882, – BTR-60P - In different sources it is spoken that the batch production has begun in 1960 and 1961, weapon only 1x 7.62 SGMB, can use more MG, but they not base weapon, speed 80km/h=27 and 10km/h=3 water, carry 14 soldiers.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr60.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.1-37
97. APC (wheel) –BTR-60PA – in service 1963, modernized BTR-60P with top armour, carry 12 soldiers, weapon only 1x 7.62mm MG.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr60.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.1-37
98. unit 303, 659, 883 – BTR-60PB – in service 1965, speed 27 and 3, weapon 2 = 7.62mm PKT TMG – this machine gun is coupled with 14.5mm KPV.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr60.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.1-37
99. unit 304 – BTR-70 – in service 1976 (in arms 1972), weight 11 tons, speed 27 and 3, unit 660 clone this unit, weapon 2 = 063
http://armoured.vif2.ru/btr-70.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 p.38-52
100. unit 305, 661 – BTR-70A - Is not present such BTR, On BTR-70 the equipment for statement of smokes (6 units=2 smoke) has been established, but it is not known in what year, I think that at planned repairs of these APC, weapon 2 = 063

101. unit 306 – BTR-80 –in service 1986, speed 30 and 3, smoke dischargers = 6 units = 2 in game, weapon2=063, new radio, unit 662 clone, weight 14 tons
http://worldweapon.ru/tank/btr80.php
http://www.army.lv/?s=1506&id=393
http://www.niistali.ru/pr_secure/bmp.htm
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 part 2. p.1-20
102. unit 307 – BTR-80A – in service 1994, turret with 30mm 2A72 (300 shells) and 7.62mm PKT TMG coupled, smoke dischargers 6 units=2 smoke in game, weight 14.5 tons, new sights, speed 30 and 3, unit 663 clone, not stibilizer
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...r/a_btr80a.htm
http://www.army.lv/?s=1506&id=393&v=6#info
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 part 2. p.21-26
103. unit 308, 309, 207 – BTR-90 – name BTR-90 Rostok, in service ???????, variants weapons: 1) turret from bmp-2 30mm 2A42 A/C + 7.62mm PKT TMG+4 ATGM Konkurs+30mm AGS GL; 2) turret fighting module “Kliver” 30mm 2A72 AC+7.62mm PKT TMG+4 ATGM Kornet+30mm AGS GL; 3) turret firghting module “Bakhcha-U” from BMP-3M and BMD-4 – 100mm 2A70+30mm 2A72+7.62mm PKT TMG+ATGM Arkan… weight 20 tons, improved armour, in 500 meters front armour not penetration 23mm sabot shell = armour more 6, In different sources it is spoken about different speeds BTR-90 - 80-100 km/h ??????????, speed on water 10 km/h, new sights, stabilizer two planes
book: BTR-60,70,80,90 part 2. p.31-36
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/17/
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200...er/a_btr90.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200.../a_btr90_2.htm
http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/otvaga200.../a_btr90_1.htm
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104. unit 269 – BRDM-1 – Batch production since 1957, weapon only 7.62 SGM MG, but can use 12.7 DShK and more 7.62mm MG. Iam offer make only one variant with 1x 7.62mm MG
http://armoured.vif2.ru/brdm.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/
http://www.russarms.com/land/msv/tech-brdm-2.asp
105. unit 270, 628, 704 – BRDM-2 – in service 1962 (batch production since 1964 – 5 vehicle, in 1965 – mass production), this vehicle use turret from BTR-60, 70, 80 (with 14.5mm KPV TMG and A/C, 7.62mm PKT TMG) = fire control and range finder need change, speed in water 10km/h=3, in 80th available smoke dischargers as at BTRs series, armour turret as at BTR series. Can be in 80th on vehicle install 30mm AGS GL for more fire power.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/brdm-2.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/
http://www.russarms.com/land/msv/tech-brdm-2.asp

106. unit 271 – BRM-1 – name BRM-1K Korshun, unit 697, 700 is clone = need clean, in arms 1972 (in batch production 1973), available smoke dischargers Tucha 6 units=2 in game, with GSR (radar), laser sight, very a lot sights and other devices distinct from BMP-1 = change range finder and fire control, 73mm gun =20 shells, 7,62mm PKT TMG, crew=6 (Crew BRM-1 consists of six persons: the commander, the tipper-of (sit next in a tower), mechanic-driver, the navigator (settle down in a forward part of the case) and two observers (take places in a fodder part of the car).), speed 22 and 2 water, weight 13 tons
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/
http://www.army.lv/index.php?s=115&id=63
http://armoured.vif2.ru/brm-1k.htm
http://www.smallafv.nn.ru/gallery/Ko...kin_BRM-1.html
http://www.desant.com.ua/tsr.html
107. unit 272, 273 – BRM-2 - I know nothing about existence of these units in armies of the USSR or the Russian Federation. Probably that further pre-production models has put has not promoted. Also I have found the information on that in one of sources that ostensibly these units were delivered to India.
108. units 274, 275, 276, 277, 349, 350 – BRM-3 – name BRM-3K Rys (Engslish translation=Lynx), in arms 1995, 30mm = 600 shells, 7.62mm PKT TMG coupled, GSR, TI etc, new sights and devices, speed 23 and 2 water, weight 20 tons
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/
http://armoured.vif2.ru/brm-3k.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/bmp3/bmp3.htm
http://www.nivasposad.ru/school/home...ivinskii/2.htm
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?field=8&unit=2294
http://www.rusarmy.com/brone/rzm_brm-3k_ruis.htm
http://www.rbs.ru/vttv/99/firms/rubtsmz/r-brm.htm
http://gnomus.narod.ru/guns/bmp/brm3k/brm3k.htm
http://www.tankpedia.ru/wiki/index.p...%D0%9C-3%D0%9A
109. scout vehicle – BRDM-3 – on base BTR-80A, in arms begin 90th, 30mm 2A72 = 300 shells, 7.62mm PKT TMG, smoke dischargers Tucha = 6 units
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/13/
http://www.army.lv/?s=1506&id=396
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110. unit 213, 332, 551, 655, 800, 801, 870, 871, 390 - clone, 391 – clone, 872 – clone – MT-LB – unit class APC, in arms 1970 (in batch production 1966), carry=111, can transport artillery, weight 12 tons, speed 61km/h=20 and 6km/h water=2, turret with 7.62mm PKT TMG, in armies modernized MT-LB – installed – ZU-23-2, in 2001 Insignificant modernisation, replacement of engines, smoke pomegranates etc.–new name – MT-LBM – turret with 7.62mm PKT TMG or 12.7mm NSVT AAMG (MT-LBVMK), new radio, weight 12-13 tons, name MT-LBM-6MA – with BTR-80 turret (14.5mm KPVT AC and 7.62mm PKT TMG)+6 unit smoke dischargers=2, name MT-LBM-6M1A3 – with 4 ATGM Kornet 7.62mm PKT TMG and 30mm AGS GL, smoke ???, name MT-LBM-6MB – with BTR-80A turret (30mm 2A72 gun (300 shells) + 7.62mm PKT TMG - stabilized)+6 units smoke dischargers=2, name MT-LBM-6M1B2 with turret (30mm 2A42 gun (300 shells)+7.62mm PKT TMG+30mm AGS GL), weapons stabilized, smoke dischargers=2.
In MT-LB installed mortars 82mm (80 or 96 shells) and 120mm, included moratar Vasilek on top.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/
http://armoured.vif2.ru/mt-lb.htm
http://www.promrealty.ru/mt_lb.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/5/mtlbm/mtlbm.htm
file Microsoft Power Point presentation (.PPS) for new MT-LB modernizations:
www.pecypc.kz/kramax/4/11_mt-lb.pps
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111. unit 218 – PRP-2 - I have not found data about this unit. Iam offer clean.
112. unit 219 – PRP-3 – name PRP-3 Val, in arm 1971 (in batch production 1972), weight 14 tons, on basis of chassis BMP-1, 7.62 PKT TMG
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?field=8&unit=2376

113. unit 692 – PRP-4 – name PRP-4 Nard, in arm 1984, on basis of chassis BMP-2, 7.62 PKT TMG, new GSR, TI
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?field=8&unit=2376

114. unit 696 – PRP-4M/MU – name PRP-4M Deiteriy, in arms 1988, new GSR, new TI etc, on basis of chassis BMP-2, weapon1=063
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?field=8&unit=2376

115. FO vehicle - PRP-4MU – in arms ????, new GSR, new hight device, on basis of chassis BMP-2.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/
116. units 216, 217 – ACRV-2 - I have not found data about this unit. Iam offer clean.
117. unit 629 - SNAR-10 GSR FO – name SNAR-10 Leopard, in arms 1971, weight 12 tons, speed 20 and 2 water, on basis of chassis MT-LB, GSR, many other devices, fire control=1,smoke ???
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rlsar-snar-10.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/
118. fo vehicle - SNAR-10M – modernized GSR “Pantera”.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/16/


119. units 773, 774 – K61 – in arms 1948
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...achineippds/1/
120. unit 775 – PTS-M – in arms 1965
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...achineippds/1/
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I took one bit of "information" you have provided at random and ran a check

"112. unit 219 – PRP-3 – name PRP-3 Val, in arm 1971 (in batch production 1972),"

Here's the English version of that topgun website

http://www.topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/uni...t=2376&lng=eng

Note the "Date of Introduction: 1975"

Now..... there's a big difference in when a vehicle enters production or is in production and when it finally gets to the troops so what we have to establish here is if the Russian sources you always quote are giving the "accepted in arms" date as the date it actually started being used by troops ( that's the only date I care about ) or the date some bureaucrat in the Russian Ministry of Defence said it's OK to start the process of production.

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Strange. On the same site here is not present words about 1975. Look:

http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl? field=8&unit=2376

And here it is written that Has been accepted on arms PRP-3 in 1971 and the batch production has been organised in Rubtsovsk. But this car have developed not in Rubtsovsk, it have developed and have created in Kurganmashzavod (Kurgan Engineering Works) and the batch production has been organised at first there in 1972 and only in 1979 the batch production also has been organised in Rubtsovsk (Rubtsovsk Engineering Works). About it it is written in this source:

http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siabronbbm/10/

Also here still link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BMP_variants
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121. unit 467 – TO-34 – speed 18, weight 32 tons
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-34
122. unit 469 – TO-54 – in arms 1954, speed 17, data same as well as at T-54, weight 30 tons
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-54.htm
123. unit 468 – TO-55 – in batch production 1968 (in game 1958), data same as well as at T-55
http://armoured.vif2.ru/t-55.htm
124. unit 470 – TO-62 - I have not found data about this unit.
125. unit 462, 608, 474 – ASU-85 – weight 15.5 tons, in arms 1958 (batch production 1959), speed 15, 2 units smoke dischargers, in middle 70th install 12.7mm AAMG, in unit 474 – weapon2=7,62 SGMB.
http://armoured.vif2.ru/asu-85.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/20/
http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl?unit=2371
http://www.army.lv/?s=740&id=347&v=1#info
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ar/asu-85.shtml
126. unit 500 – 2S1 Gvozdika – in arms 1971 (in batch production 1972), weight 15 tons, 40 shells – 35 HE and 5 HEAT, ob basis of chassis MT-LB – change armour, vision=0, speed 20 and 2 water
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/04/122/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/19/
book: Vooruzhenie Sovetskoy tehniki (Arms of the Soviet armoured technics 1945-1995)
127. unit 501, 502, 503 – 2S3 Akatsiya – in arms 1971 (on diffirent sources batch production in 1970 or 1973), 40 shells – 36 HE and 4 HEAT, vision=0, speed 60km/h=20, on basis of chassis SAM Krug, ROF=3 or 3.5, weight 27 tons, in 1975 year change shells = 46 (2S3M), iam offer use gun 111 (corrected), I think wiout AP shells, vision=0, in middle 80th in USSR made big work on create cluster shells for guns, in 1987 (2S3M1), new devices, new sights, vision=0, iiam offer use AP shell without HEAT, use gun 111 (corrected)
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/04/152-2/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/19/
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...c3-akatsia.asp
book: Vooruzhenie Sovetskoy tehniki (Arms of the Soviet armoured technics 1945-1995)
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...b=5&o=&fpart=1
128. unit 589 – 2S4 Tulpan – in arms 1971 (in batch production 1974) speed 62km/h=21, shells HE=40 (9650 meters) or 20 projectile HE shells (18000 meters), ROF 1, size 5, crew 5
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...2c4-tulpan.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/16/
129. unit 812, 813 – 2S7 Pion and 2S7M Malka – quantity shells – error???
130. units 593 and 916 – 2S9 Nona-S – iam offer - unit class SP Howitzer
131. SP Howitzer – Sviristelka SPA – name 2S9-1 Sviristelka, this is 2S9 Nona-S modernized, not swim ??? and more shells transport, 40 shells, in arms 1984
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/02/01/
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tec...ona-s-base.asp
132. units 595, 594, 915, 917 – iam offer change class unit SP Howitzer
133. unit 506 and 600 – 2S19 Msta-S – name 2S19 MSTA-S, weight 42 tons, I think survivability 5, smoke dischargers 6 unit=2 in game, vision=0, on basis of chassis T-72 and T-80, armour at as T-72 without combined armour
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/2c1...c19-msta-b.asp
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1580.0
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/msta/msta.php
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%A119
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/ar/2s19.shtml
134. SP Artillery – Koalitsiya-SV – it future unit, on basis of chassis tank T-72 and T-80, 70 shells, 2 GUNS, ROF 16 for two gun – 8 for 1 gun, weight 55 tons
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/koalition_sv/koalition_sv.htm
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Strange. On the same site here is not present words about 1975. Look:

http://topgun.rin.ru/cgi-bin/units.pl? field=8&unit=2376
Yes, I know. I looked at all the info before posting this. Perhaps you could enquire WHY the English version differs so much from the Russian one ?

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I can not tell definitely, but I can assume, that data in the Russian and English version of page not always change or simply forget it to make.
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135. unit 061 - 82mm Mortar – iam offer unit class – Mortar.
136. unit 560 – 82mm Mortar Sec – iam offer remove this unit. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong and is unnecessary, besides it takes a place in OOB.
137. Mortar – 82mm Mortar – weapon – mortar 2B14 82mm, in arms 1982. Iam offer include this mortar in game.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4333
138. unit 563 – 2-120mm Mortars – iam offer remove weapon2. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
139. unit 566 - 2-120mm Mortars - iam offer remove weapon2. On organizational-regular structure each mortar is 1 branch. 3 mortars in one unit it are wrong. I have not found data about a mortar 2B. In 1955 on arms it was accepted two mortars 120mm, but the most widespread mortar for today 120mm in the Russian army is a mortar 2B11. In arms and batch production 1981.
http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...b=5&o=&fpart=1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
140. unit 815 - 120 Nona Mortar – armies have this weapon only in 2007 (in middle 80th this weapon not in arms). Iam offer change gun from our OOB – 120mm 2B18, name unit 120mm Nona SM-1. Exact data about it are not present, except range of shooting. Iam offer increase quantity shells.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
141. unit 565 - 160mm Mortar – in arms 1949, The modernised divisional mortar of 1943 (with the increased length burrel)
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
142. unit 588 – 2B9 Vasilek – iam offer change unit class=201 Mortar (Sub type B)
143. Mortar (Sub Type A) – 240mm Mortar – in arms 1950, use gun at as Tulpan, can shoot nuclear shells, radio=93
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...siaartymmet/1/
144. unit 425 - 152mm D-1 FH – unit class Howitzer=154, ROF=4
145. unit 424 – 130mm M46 FG – name 130mm M-46 FG, in arms 1954 (in batch production 1951), ROF = on diffirent sources 6 or 8.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/130/
http://rpg1.ru/view49.html
http://mega.km.ru/weaponry/encyclop....picNumber=1573
146. unit 426 - 152mm D20 FG – name 152 D-20 Khitin, crew 10, unit class Howitzer=154, used many shells HE, HEAT, cluster, I have counted 18 type shells, in game not present on-map unit with AP shells.
http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/152-3/
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/
147. Filed Gun – 122mm D-74 FG – in game not present on-map unit, in arms 1954 (in batch production 1956), have sight for direct shoot, use shell VBR-472 - I could not find data on this shell, therefore I do not know what it HEAT or AP/Sabot.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/
148. unit 422 - 122mm M30 FH – name 122mm M-30 FH, class unit Howitzer=154
149. unit 423 - 122mm D30 FH – name 122mm D-30 FH, second name - 122mm D-30 FH Lyagushka, unit class Howitzer=154, in arms 1960, also I offer clone thise unit unit class Airborne Field Howitzer=184 and for this unit increase quantity HEAT shells.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/10/
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4328
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/122-%D0...0%B0_%D0%94-30
http://weaponsas.narod.ru/Art_d30.htm
150. unit 427 – Giatsint-B – in game not present on-map artillery with AP shells (cluster munition). Shooting from a gun is conducted by the shots developed specially for it. We assume that shells have been developed for it together with a gun. I suggest to make this gun with cluster shells in game at least since 1978.

http://www.artillery-mz.com/en/products/01/152-1/
http://mega.km.ru/weaponry/encyclop....picNumber=1550
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4329
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%9036
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=859.0
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...typolevaya/11/
151. Howitzer – MSTA-B – in game not present on-map variant gun. Iam offer make it.
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152. units 188, 547, 807 - 203mm 2A44 Guns - This gun was established on 2S7 Pion and 2S7M Malka. I have not found data about that that this gun was towed. I suggest to make since 1983-85 for 2S7M Malka - one more variant of this gun (the weapon number 229 in our OOB) and to make 5 shells or all AP (cluster). Also I suggest to make off-map a variant 2S7M Malka with a considerable quantity of an ammunition.
153. unit 256 - BM-13 Katyusha - weight 12 tons, speed 40km/h=13
154. unit 254 - BM-14-16 - wrong photo, in arms 1952 (in batch production 1952, in 1958 ended), crew 7, size 4, weight 10, radio 91 or 92, survivability ????, speed 60 km/h=20, change icon
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../bm14_16.shtml
155. unit 262 - BM-24 Platoon - in arms 1952, in 1955 increase range 10,6 km, in 1962 more increase range 17.5 km. This car has not received a wide circulation in armies., crew 6, size 5, weight 12 tons, speed 55km/h
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/bm-24.htm
156. unit 522 - RPU-14 - in arms 1956 (batch production 1957), created for paratroops armies (VDV)
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...14/rpu14.shtml
157. unit 257 - BM-21 Grad - weight 15 tons, size 5, crew 5, survivability ???, speed (armed) 75km/h, radio 92 (????)
http://www.sudden-strike.ru/news/detail.php?ID=4339
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rszo-grad.asp
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/grad/grad.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21
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