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Old August 9th, 2018, 02:08 PM
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Default Suggestions, observations and queries - French OoB (OBat #006)

Whilst researching / playing around at creating a campaign / series of linked scenarios for the French Foreign Legion for the war in Bosnia and beyond, I made a couple of observations about the French OoB.

Suggestions, observations and queries - French OoB (OBat #006)

A/. 20mm Mle 693 - This weapon appears 3 times with identical stats:

#059 20mm Mle 693 - Helos & "gun" APC
#081 20mm Mle 693 - APCs
#231 20mm Mle 693 - AMX-30 tank

Should one or more be a different weapon class? (#060 is the same gun but as a flak piece)

B/. 2e REP were using the McMillan TAC-50 "Big Mac" sniper rifle in Bosnia (Sarajevo Airport) in January 1993.*
Stats of this weapon (#026 in Canadian OoB) are identical to the later French Hecate 2 - therefore suggest:

Unit #368 Para Sniper have start date moved forward to Jan 1993

C/. A VERY minor one: The VAB and its variants used by the French Army is, I understand, only the 4 wheeled version (6 wheeled version is export only)
ALL currently use the same picture of a 6 wheeler


T-20 and 12,7mm versions


D/. AMX-10RCR Unit #012 - Lost amphibious capability when upgraded with additional armour, GALIX, etc.

E/. I believe the VBMR Griffon and Nexter VBMR Leger are now in service soon to be joined by the EBRC Jaguar(2019) and Leclerc Renove (2020) - Do we have stats for them (I am sure DRG & Fastboat Tough already have it covered! )

* Fighting for the French Foreign Legion by Alex Lochrie. Published 2011 by Pen & Sword Military & Hidden Soldier
by Padraig O'Keeffe, Ralph Riegel. Published 2007 by O'Brien Press.
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Old August 9th, 2018, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: Suggestions, observations and queries - French OoB (OBat #006)

Copied to the list and will investigate when I start OOB work in a couple of months

But re: A/. given that two of them are used exclusively to one model I suspect they were cut and pasted from 59 and used as named until better confirmation of the actual weapon used was discovered then renamed and adjusted as necessary....but then forgotten about...and sometimes duplicates like this appear becasue they are added without checking ( more than just one person worked on this initially ) if they already exist then once established left as is because to 99.9% of players that it's a 20 mm cannon is " good enough"

so why one was added at 231 just for use by the AMX-30 seems as odd to me as it does to you but thinking it was separated just in case that turned out to be a different weapon and so far all I can find about it is one source that say it is indeed a 693....so from what I can see they are duplicated all set up correctly.....but duplicates non the less and since I have plenty of spare weapons in that OOB I'm just going to leave them alone and not risk buggering scenarios but if I do start to run short I will look at this again
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Mystery ( sorta )solved

231 was....W A Y back in Dos V2 ( 2002 ) listed as 20mm F1 Cannon ( WC 19 ) but not used by anything and by Win V1 in 2005 it was a 20mm Mle 693 used by AMX-30B's..HOWEVER.. DOS OOBs from that era do not always run so well with the newer versions of MOBHack but back then the only 693 was weapon 81...59 was listed as an "F2"......but that is irrelevant 16 years later.... Thinking since the 20mm on the AMX-30B is a CMG it should be WC 5 which " solves" one issue but 81 was the original 693...59 was renamed so I need to look into that one closest and it looks like the AMX VCI M-56 in unit 571 should be using 81 instead of 59 and that leaves all 59's as helo weapons


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OOB work is SUCH fun

Sorry - just making sure you are kept entertained on those long cold nights...
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