.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

BCT Commander- Save $8.00
winSPWW2- Save $5.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > Illwinter Game Design > Dominions 3: The Awakening

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old October 29th, 2009, 06:58 PM
SciencePro's Avatar

SciencePro SciencePro is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New York City
Posts: 355
Thanks: 59
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
SciencePro is on a distinguished road
Default Diplomacy Question

Lets say you are playing a multiplayer game and a nation, lets call them "empire A," agrees to a NAP-3 with you. At the time you happen to be at war with Empire B. Empire B asks Empire A to make a trade where Empire B gets items or gems and Empire A casts some anonymous remote attack or assassination spells against you. You don't know what happend at first, but you ask about it and both players tell you what happened.

My question is:

Has empire A violated the terms of your NAP-3?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old October 29th, 2009, 07:00 PM

Frozen Lama Frozen Lama is offline
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Seattle
Posts: 868
Thanks: 56
Thanked 42 Times in 33 Posts
Frozen Lama is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Diplomacy Question

i would say no. others might disagree, but i would think no IMO
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old October 29th, 2009, 07:39 PM

chrispedersen chrispedersen is offline
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 4,075
Thanks: 203
Thanked 121 Times in 91 Posts
chrispedersen is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Diplomacy Question

Quote:
Originally Posted by SciencePro View Post
Lets say you are playing a multiplayer game and a nation, lets call them "empire A," agrees to a NAP-3 with you. At the time you happen to be at war with Empire B. Empire B asks Empire A to make a trade where Empire B gets items or gems and Empire A casts some anonymous remote attack or assassination spells against you. You don't know what happend at first, but you ask about it and both players tell you what happened.

My question is:

Has empire A violated the terms of your NAP-3?
Science,

I would suggest you search for the NAP thread awhile ago where this was significantly discussed.

Usually, remote attack spells are not considered to be a violation of a NAP, because it is impossible to prove authorship.

However, in the clear cut case where the author has admitted that he did then yes I would say that you are freed of any NAP obligation.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old October 29th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Fantomen's Avatar

Fantomen Fantomen is offline
Major
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Me a viking
Posts: 1,012
Thanks: 81
Thanked 122 Times in 73 Posts
Fantomen is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Diplomacy Question

I say a situation like this should be roleplayed, and that you may choose yourself how to handle it.

I think you definately have the right to consider the NAP broken.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old October 29th, 2009, 09:21 PM
SciencePro's Avatar

SciencePro SciencePro is offline
Sergeant
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New York City
Posts: 355
Thanks: 59
Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts
SciencePro is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Diplomacy Question

hmmm anyone got a link to the "NAP thread?"
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old October 29th, 2009, 10:19 PM

Trumanator Trumanator is offline
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Tacoma WA, USA
Posts: 1,314
Thanks: 103
Thanked 72 Times in 50 Posts
Trumanator is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Diplomacy Question

I would say that if you have incontrovertible proof (like the admission) that your NAP mate has cast remote attacks at you then you can consider it broken. However, this is extremely hard to do, and your NAP mate was foolish to admit it to you. At the very least, your mate should have no right to cry about it if you attack him w/out bothering to cancel.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old October 30th, 2009, 06:28 AM

Zeldor Zeldor is offline
General
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Poland
Posts: 3,414
Thanks: 26
Thanked 73 Times in 49 Posts
Zeldor is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Diplomacy Question

Remotes are anonymous, so while hostile, they cannot be linked really. After all it could be the enemy casting it instead of buying it. But if someone admits it's clear NAP violation. But I cannot get why would anyone simply admit.
__________________
谋事在人,成事在天。

LA Agartha guide
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old October 30th, 2009, 12:51 PM

Ironhawk Ironhawk is offline
General
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 3,011
Thanks: 0
Thanked 45 Times in 35 Posts
Ironhawk is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Diplomacy Question

It is odd that he would admit it. Either he doesnt think its illegal or he's just dumb.

Anyway - I would absolutely consider empire A to be in violation of the NAP. Whether you want to attack him is up to you. Two front wars are bad. You might be better of giving him a stern lecture and then trying to bribe him not to accept requests from your enemy anymore.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old October 30th, 2009, 02:32 PM

chrispedersen chrispedersen is offline
BANNED USER
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 4,075
Thanks: 203
Thanked 121 Times in 91 Posts
chrispedersen is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Diplomacy Question

Name & shame....
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old October 30th, 2009, 02:44 PM

Illuminated One Illuminated One is offline
First Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: In Ulm und um Ulm herum
Posts: 787
Thanks: 133
Thanked 78 Times in 46 Posts
Illuminated One is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Diplomacy Question

I'd say it's a grey area, like many things concerning NAPs.
A NAP is nothing more than an oral (laugh at me if that's a wrong translation) contract with noone to enforce it in game and can be interpreted however you like - just like real life contract between nations. So your country was hit by Missiles manufactured by your long-term ally?
=> It's up to you wether to cancel all agreements, seek a diplomatic sollution, or just focus on killing the guy who can pay for the missiles.

If there are specific game rules you can ask the admin to enforce it, because of this it is good to ask about game NAP rules before you enter one.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:59 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.