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Old January 31st, 2015, 11:50 AM

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Ok cool. I did a bit of searching and somewhere I found our old thread - not sure if this works but here's the link anyways:

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=33704

here you can see we did some serious work on this to research... also lots of private messages and e-mails.
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Old February 1st, 2015, 02:15 AM
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I think the 2012 early 2013 dates for the retirement of the Jagdpanzer Kürassier tank destroyers and the Saurer APC are going to hold up though I'll wait on the Austrian MOD for the retirement dates since they're already ahead of the French in the "Response Dept.", "darn" French 105mm's!?!. The MOD's I dealt with so far (French, Australian, UK, Netherlands etc.) where they're information has helped us in the past on some OOB issues, I had forgotten that they like to stick their current equipment in the galleries so "hover" on the GALLERY tab top far right for that data. I don't see a "site last updated" date but, the last NEWS story was posted on 10/03/2014 so we know the equipment status is good from that point on. As SIPRI data won't get updated for 2014 I think until March I'll hold off on any military equipment sales and or donations made by Austria to Hungry especially where it pertains to the LEOPARD 2A4 as I believe this would constitute a major upgrade in tank capability for Hungry as many sources indicate supposedly has occurred. I'd rather do any work there all at once instead of by piecemeal. So again...
http://www.bundesheer.at/english/index.shtml

This might not be a wasted exercise as it might flush out other equipment issues in the major categories of Armor, Artillery, Aircraft and Helos that exist for current equipment beyond the above stated dates.

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The next question is..... they are retiring the Saurer APC..... fine, makes sense with the newer Ulans doing the same job but will they be retaining or retiring the Saurer SP mortars, FO vehicles, ammo carriers etc.
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Old February 1st, 2015, 12:33 PM
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If MOD gets me a final answer, and if they respond like Australia did for us about 3yrs. ago on the M1A1 and unit issues we were addressing, that's the type of answer I hope we'll get from Austria. I'm almost against the wall on this matter partly due to time constraints at my end. Starting mid-week I need to start on a "point paper" concerning an issue at work for our site manager. Doing the best I can.

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Old February 1st, 2015, 02:58 PM
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NO PROBLEM... if they send the answer great. if not don't sweat it.

EDIT_If I had to guess ( and sometimes that what we have to do....) I would guess they will pull the APC version OOS but keep the specialized versions in service awhile longer using some of the APC's for spare parts

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I have mentioned in the past a couple of times that..."The only dumb question is the question not asked.!", in the Submarine community you learned that the very first day you started Submarine School in Groton, CT. and as long as you served onboard those boats it would be continually reenforced. Your life and those of your crew could depend upon it. In context by not asking you might not get to the answer you seek and the worst case is they say "No" or just don't respond like the French MOD on their 105mm situation. I'll gladly except the latter over not asking the question at all-some might remember my MRAP situation when I first started posting which I caused many to get a headache. So for "Yea of little faith" from the Austrian MOD...

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Dear Sir!

Regarding your request I would like to inform you, that the Jagdpanzer KÜRASSIER was taken out from active service in 2010 an the Schützenpanzer SAURER in 2012 - 2013. AAF don´t use these tanks (APC) any more.
HUNGARY did not receive any material from the AAF.

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Don,
If I may suggest for the KURASSIER a 12/10 end date, and SAURER a 12/13 end to keep it simple, though 6/13 might work for the SAURER.

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Hey look what it says below...
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Thanks Pat. The change will be made now
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Pandur ist getting an RWS:
http://www.bundesheer.at/cms/artikel.php?ID=7632

The first converted vehicles entered service earlier this month, and are scheduled to be deployed to Kosovo in August.
Barring unforeseen delays (or budget issues, for that matter), the entire Pandur fleet should be refitted by the end of 2017.

The weapon station appears to be the same as that used on the Iveco LMV, so the weapon is still a 12.7mm MG; but it gains a laser rangefinder and thermal imaging.
Plus the ability to fire while buttoned up, of course - that's the main point, after all.


Meanwhile, RUAG was commissioned to up-armor the vehicles:
http://www.ruag.com/fileadmin/ruag/i...chutz_2015.pdf
The timeframe seems to vague to add uparmored Pandurs into the OOBs just yet, though.


Both via Doppeladler:
http://www.doppeladler.com/da/oebh/v...dur-im-zulauf/
http://www.doppeladler.com/da/oebh/ruag-panzert-pandur/
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I have mentioned in the past a couple of times that..."The only dumb question is the question not asked.!", in the Submarine community you learned that the very first day you started Submarine School in Groton, CT. and as long as you served onboard those boats it would be continually reenforced. Your life and those of your crew could depend upon it. In context by not asking you might not get to the answer you seek and the worst case is they say "No" or just don't respond like the French MOD on their 105mm situation.
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Did anything become of this project?
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