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Old October 10th, 2007, 06:49 AM

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Default How do you fight the Niefel giants?

I'm confused.
With their stacking chill aura, they make any number of opposing troops useless in a matter of 1-2 rounds, so anything not immune to cold cannot even scratch them. In my test game 15 niefel giants killed 35 helhirdlings and 80 van infantry with no losses.
Somebody has managed to defeat Niefelheim? I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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Old October 10th, 2007, 06:55 AM
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Default Re: How do you fight the Niefel giants?

Area attack spells are, to my poor game insight, the only easy solution at the beginning of the game. You can also try to raise your attack level with a fire bless, even pushing to a nice flaming weapon, which will take them down amazingly fast due to their fire vulnerability. All in all : burn them with anything you've got !
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Default Re: How do you fight the Niefel giants?

There've been a couple of "how do I beat Niefelheim" threads. Here's one: http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/thr...part=all&vc=1.

The short version is, if you're Helheim, you shouldn't be fighting Niefelheim head on. Raid the heck out of him -- your sacreds should be able to easily tear through anything that's NOT a Niefel Giant (including PD). Force him to defend his capital, lest you pillage the heck out of it and shut down Niefel recruitment. Then hit him elsewhere.
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Old October 10th, 2007, 07:34 AM
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Default Re: How do you fight the Niefel giants?

Same probably goes for Fomorians. They are a lot like Niefel in that respect, except Fomoria can be really goddamn scary. They have Divine Serpent as one of the pretender choices, and going for an imprisoned, with N3 and startdom 3 that allows for N10 blessing (20% regen, +2 berserk), Dominion 6 and seven positive scales to start with. Alternatively, you could tack on E4 blessing to get them reinvigoration. At a cost of 110 each, you can start going to town with them very early, even without tax 200 & patrol and they just will not die.

They lack the Niefel Giant's cold aura, but they have 50% cold immunity and can go underwater, so if you start on the coast, you can gain holdings that are safe from all but water nations for a good while.
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Default Re: How do you fight the Niefel giants?

Go for the nasty single target spells, Blindness, paralyze soulslay, rage etc.

Keep em busy with minor summons like ghost wolves.

Even better a small horde of undead with darkness works well.
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Default Re: How do you fight the Niefel giants?

Fighting niefelheim in the late stages of the game is no real issue. The problem is if they come gunning for you early, you simply cannot stop that.
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Default Re: How do you fight the Niefel giants?

And now with Fomoria, even the water nations aren't safe from a regenerating giant rush.

Fomorian Giants have javelins, too... range 24 damage 27 javelins. Very nasty (although the long range and fomorians' 8 prec does lead to a lot of scatter, most humans won't survive even one hit).
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Default Re: How do you fight the Niefel giants?

Do fomorian giants have chill 15 too?...
Regenerating giants arent a problem absolutely, stacking chill is. And then there are recruitable SCs, and goddamn scary ones too. With right mages to equip them.
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No, Fomorians don't have chill aura.
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Then Fomorians arent half as bad.
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