Russian units v4

[KraMax]

158. SP Rocket Launcher – BM-21V Grad-V – weapon from Grad 122mm rockets, in arms 1967 (for paratroops VDV), on basis of chasis GAZ-66, 12 shells (6x6), crew 5, size 4, speed (armed) 85 km/h=28
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...v/grad_v.shtml
159. unit 266 - BM-21 CM Pl – size 5, in game not present on-map variant this is unit, iam not found date in arms.
160. unit 258, 261 - 9P140 Uragan – wrong name, correct BM-27 Uragan. Name 9P140 – name for chasis this weapon. In arms and batch production 1975, weight 20,2 tons, speed 65km/h=22
http://www.splav.org/ru/arms/uragan/pu.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...ga/uraga.shtml
161. unit 265 – TOS-1 – variants 24 burrels (TOS-1A) and 30 burrels (TOS-1), speed 60km/h=20, on basis of chasis T-72 tank, weight on diffirent sources 42-46 tons, survivability=4 ????, in arms begin 1995 (batch production and used in afgan war in 80th), old rockets range 3500 meters, new rockets range 6000 meters, radio=92
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/tos1.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://armoured.vif2.ru/tos-1.htm
http://www.army.lv/?s=741&id=197
162. unit 259 - BM-30 Smerch Pl – crew 32 for platoon, in arms and batch production 1987, armour ??????. iam offer include more one variant BM-30 Smerch with cluster munition and used weapon from our OOB – weapon number 102 (unit in our OOB 536 and 537)
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-rszo-smerch.asp
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tnureaktsys/9/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...h/smerch.shtml

[KraMax]

163. unit 380 - BRDM-1 Snapper – name 2K16 Shmel, on basis of chasis 2P27 – BRDM-1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
164. unit 381 - BRDM-1 Swatter – name 2K8 Falanga, on basis of chasisi BRDM-1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
165. unit 382 - BRDM-1 Sagger – name 9K14 Malyutka, on basis of chasisi BRDM-1, 6 burrels – ROF=6
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1598.0
166. unit 383 - BRDM-2 ATGM – name 9K11M Malyutka-M, 6 burrels – ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
167. unit 384 - BRDM-2 ATGM – name 9K11P Malyutka-P, 6 burrels – ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
168. unit 385 - BRDM-2 ATGM – name 9K8 Fleyta, 6 burrels – ROF=6, on basis of chasis BRDM-2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
169. unit 630 –BRDM-2 ATGM - name ?????? can be 9K111 Fagot, 5 burrels – ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
170. unit 631 –BRDM-2 ATGM – name ??????, wrong weapon1, used Faktoria ATGM, ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
171. unit 632 – BRDM-2 ATGM – name ?????, ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1396.0
172. unit 386 and 387 – BRDM-2 ATGM –name ?????, ROF=5
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=1396.0
173. unit 378 – UAZ-69 Snapper – name GAZ-69 ATGM
174. unit 389 - Krizantema-S – correct name Khrizantema-S, in arms 2002 or 2003, on basis of chasis BMP-3, survivability=5 ????, GSR with mm-cells (Millimetric lattice) vision=60 ???, speed 23 and 3 water, weight 13 tons, ultra-sonic missiles used. It is written that such 3 ATGMs can to reflect successfully an attack of 14 tanks of the opponent, having destroyed thus not less than 60 % of these tanks. Iam not found information on ATGM Khrizantema for infantry team, found only on basis of chasis BMP-3. Iam offer change class unit=19 - SP ATGM
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/xrizantema.htm
http://www.army-guide.com/rus/product1650.html
http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/hrizantema-c
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...etptcomplex/5/


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Probably names BRDM ATGM and BRDM-2 ATGM to leave as is, but only without the NATO designation?

[KraMax]

175. unit 388 - BMP-3 Kornet – ATGM quantity = 16, on basis of chasis BMP-3, weapon2= 120 bullets, survivability=5 ????, speed 23 and 2 water, available until=120. Also have variant on basis of chasis BTR-80 – with 12 ATGM, change class unit = 19 SP ATGM
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...t/cornet.shtml
http://gunsite.narod.ru/kornet_e.htm
http://www.rusarmy.com/strelo/ptrk_kornet-e_var.htm
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/kornet.htm


176. unit 407 - 9P149 Shturm – name Shturm-S, name 9P149 – it name chasis, ROF=4, 12 ATGM Kokon 9M114, weight 12 tons, speed 20 and 2 water, crew 2, carry 0, change class unit = 19 SP ATGM
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../shturms.shtml
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/Shturm.htm
http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/shturm-ataka
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-ptur-shturms.asp
177. unit 408 - 9P149 Ataka – name Shturm-SM, in arms 1985, it modernized variant unit Shturm-S with ATGM Ataka 9M120, 12 ATGM, ROF=4, crew 2, weight 12 tons, speed 20 and 2 water, carry 0, change class unit = 19 Sp ATGM. Iam offer in 90th years make variant Sturm-SM with TI sight (I have not found exact date when have established such sight. But such sights are.) also I offer make variant unit Shturm-SM with ATGM 9M120M Ataka-M, can be - begin 2000th
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../shturms.shtml
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/Shturm.htm
http://www.kbm.ru/ru/product/ptrk/shturm-ataka
http://www.russarms.com/land/rva/tech-ptur-shturms.asp
178. unit 642 – Tiger Kvartet - There are no exact data about presence of this car in army. But there are characteristics of a launcher for ATGM Kornet. I think that in army they are. I, for example, did not know that in army there are these cars with a machine gun 7.62mm PKT CMG and 30mm AGS GL - these cars were on the red area in Moscow on victory parade. To you to decide - to clean it from game or not to touch.
Factory: http://www.kbptula.ru/rus/atgw/kvartet.htm
English: http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/atgw/kvartet.htm
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...iaa2targets/7/
179. unit 643 - Vest ATGM – wrong photo, this unit on basis of chasis UAZ-3151
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...iaa2targets/7/

[KraMax]

180. unit 290 - SA-2 Guideline – correct name S-75 Dvina, In game almost all is correct, only why parametre EW is established = 2?
http://pvo.guns.ru/s75/s75_data.htm
http://mvizru84.my1.ru/index/0-10

181. Area SAM - S-75 Volkhov – we offer include in game this is unit from our OOB, modernized S-75 Dvina, in arms 1962, FC=105, EW=4, its weapon used in Vietnam war.
http://pvo.guns.ru/s75/s75_data.htm
http://mvizru84.my1.ru/index/0-10

182. unit 291 - SA-3 Goa – correct name S-125 Neva, we offer change EW=4 for weapon next generation in this type. The set of modern decisions for this weapon is used.
http://pvo.guns.ru/s125/s125.htm
http://www.raspletin.ru/production/old/s125.php

183. Area SAM – S-125 Neva, modernized variant, in arms 1970, EW=5, ROF=4, FC=105
http://pvo.guns.ru/s125/s125.htm
http://www.raspletin.ru/production/old/s125.php

184. unit 292 - SA-4 Ganef – correct name Krug A, on basis of modernized chasis SU-100P, speed 16, FC=105, survivability=2 ?????? In 1971 unit modernized – name Krug M – EW=5.
http://pvo.guns.ru/krug/krug09.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/krug/krug.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/krug/krug04.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/krug/krug.shtml
185. unit 283 - SA-6 Gainful – correct name Kub, in arms 1967, FC=105, survivability=3 ?????, speed=16, in 1973 modernized variant – name Kub M1, FC=110
http://pvo.guns.ru/kub/kub6.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/kub/kub.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/kub/kub.shtml
186. unit 289 - SA-11 Gadfly – correct name Buk, speed 18, survivability=3 ?????, ROF=4, EW=6, in 1983 make modernization variant – name Buk M1, EW=7
http://pvo.guns.ru/buk/buk_4.htm
http://www.ump.mv.ru/buk_ttx.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/buk/buk.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...m1/bukm1.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../bukm1_2.shtml
187. unit 280, 284 - SA-8a Gecko – correct name Osa, in arms 1972, EW=5, vision=0, ROF=4, in 1976 modernized – name Osa-AK, new weapon from our OOB, EW=6, vision=0,weapon shells=6, ROF=6, FC=105, in 1978 modernized new variant Osa-AKM, FC=110, vision=0
http://pvo.guns.ru/osa/osa.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/osa/osa10.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/osa/osa06.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/osa/osa.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...k/osa_ak.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../osa_akm.shtml

188. unit 281 - SA-9 Gaskin – correct name Strela-1, speed 32 and 2 water, quantity missiles 4
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela1/strela1_05.htm#3
189. unit 285 - SA-9b Gaskin – correct name Strela-1M, in arms 1970, quantity missiles 4, speed 32 and 2 water, vision=20, EW=2
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela1/strela1_05.htm#3
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w.../strela1.shtml
190. unit 282 - SA-13 Gopher – correct name Strela-10SV, in arms 1976, speed 20 and 2 water, ROF=4, radio=90, we offer FC=3, survivability=4 on basis of chasis MT-LB
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_04.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...rela10sv.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10.htm
191. unit 286 - SA-13b Gopher – correct name Strela-10M, in arms 1979, speed 20 and 2 water, radio=90, fc=3, survivability=4, ROF=4
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_04.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...rela10sv.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10.htm
192. unit 287 - SA-13c Gopher – correct name Strela-10M3, in arms 1989, vision=30, EW=4, speed 20 and 2 water, FC=3, survivability=4, ROF=4
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_04.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...rela10sv.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10.htm
193. SP SAM – Gyurza – not found date take in arms this unit, approximately beginning 2001, EW=4, radio=91 or 92, ROF=4, FC=15

http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/17/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...za/gurza.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/strela10/strela10_03.htm#2
194. unit 288 - SA-15 Gauntlet – correct name Tor, speed 22, vision=0, survivability=4 ?????, in 1991 modernized variant – name Tor-M1, new weapon, FC=115, ew=9
http://www.kupol.ru/ru/AntiaircraftM...Systems/Tor-M1
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/17/
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/tor/tor.shtml
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/torm/torm.shtml
192. Area SAM - Tor-M1TB – towed, speed 0
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/17/
193. unit 293 – S-300PT - towed, change weight for towed, wrong photo

[KraMax]

194. unit 922 - ZSU-23-4M2 – FC=10 (my mistake), change weapon, smoke dischargers= ????. We offer clean units 820, 821 – not found data for this unit.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/14/
http://pvo.guns.ru/shilka/shilka.htm
195. unit 401 - ZSU-57-2 – quantity shells=300
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/14/
http://pzaku.net/homepage/16/
http://pvo.guns.ru/book/uvz/index.htm
196. unit 419, 420 - 57mm AA-Gun – name S-60 AA-Gun, in arms 1950, towed, weight 4 tons, crew 8, size=2. Iam not found data for modernized variant 1966, can be EW modernized or not.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...tyzenitnaya/5/
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/s-60.htm
http://pvo.guns.ru/s60/index.htm
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/57-%D0%...%98%D0%A1-2%29
http://pzaku.net/homepage/25/
197. unit 870 - MT-LB w/ZU-23 – weight 12 tons, iam offer 1980 and change unit class SP Flak=22, weapon2=7.62mm PKT TMG, on basis of chasis MT-LB, speed 20 and 2 water
198. unit 873 - Truck w/ZU-23 – carry=132 ?????, iam offer change unit class SP Flak=22
199. unit 405 - 2S6 Tunguska – in arms and batch production 1982, stabilizer 4 (new stibilizer), 8 missiles, weapon 2=clean, EW=8
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...tunguska.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm
200. unit 406 - 2S6M Tunguska – name 2S6 Tunguska M, vision=30, EW=8, stabilizer=4, weapon2=clean
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...tunguska.shtml
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm
201. unit 823 - 2S6M1 Tunguska – name 2S6 Tunguska M1, in arms 2003-2004, EW=9, stabilizer=4 ?????, FC=120, RF=22
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...tunguska.shtml
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/18/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%D0%9A...BA%D0%B0%C2%BB
http://www.vko.ru/DesktopModules/Art...ersion=Staging
http://www.kbptula.ru/rus/zencom/tungr.htm
202. unit 414 - Pantzyr-1 – name S1 Pantsyr or Pantsyr-S1, weight 20 tons, crew 3, stabilizer not bad Tunguska=4 or 5, FC=125, vision=40, speed 28, change missiles weapon from our OOB, divide misiles on slots weapons 2,3 and 4, EW=9, “Under the statement of the assistant to the commander-in-chief of the Air Forces colonel general Anatoly Nogovitsyna, first samples SPSAM «Pantsyr-S1» will arrive in the Russian Air Forces in 2008.”
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...aartysarty/18/
http://www.missiles.ru/Pansir.htm
http://www.russarms.com/land/vpvo/tech-pzrk-c-1-pan.asp
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%...%D1%8C-%D0%A11
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/data.htm

[DRG]

194. We offer clean units 820, 821 – not found data for this unit.

195. unit 401 - ZSU-57-2 – quantity shells=300


I have no intention of entering into a dialogue with you over each and every one of these points but these two caught my eye.

194... Have we not gone over this before ? Those two units are DESIGNED to provide ground support fire NOT act as SPAA's and that is why they are set up in the unit class they are with the weapon they have. Also, I have NO IDEA if the phrase "We offer clean units " is coming from your own translation of Russian to English or this is what the automatic translator spits out but after reading it two dozen times I have to think it's the later. The correct phrase would be "remove unit" not "clean unit" and in any case I have no intention of doing so. Those units weapon should probably be WC5 rather than WC19 but I think it was put in 19 to allow it some AA capability as WC19 will opfire on helos to be fair but it's primary purpose is to engage ground targets. Every time you "find" this you complain about it and it's getting tiresome.

195. quantity shells=300 Great. AA guns fire "bursts" so the number of shells issued to a unit like that is the number of bursts of fire it's capable of

Don

[KraMax]

194. OK. But at a unit 820 fire control should be 10 (without a radar), and at a unit 821 fire control should be 15 (without a radar). In game also the gun of class Autocannon cannot shoot on planes. ZSU-23 without a radar turns actually in ZSU-57-2 also without a radar. At ZSU-23 increases ammo at the expense of an empty seat from a radar, but other aim devices do not removed. These two units should be SP Flak with radio=93. They will operate effectively on the land purposes and to shoot on air targets. unit 821 - TI available - not found data.
195. OK

[KraMax]

DRG said:
...
I have no intention of entering into a dialogue with you over each and every one of these points but these two caught my eye.
...
Don

Dear Don and Andy.

We with the great pleasure would would like to enter with you meaningful dialogue on any unit or the weapon in this theme of a forum. We want that you have correctly understood us - we wish to help you with improvement of this excellent game.
On the weapon, units and formations at us it is a lot of data and all these data we plan will share with you. To us it is not difficult. We all it do voluntary and certainly free of charge - because we love this game and we want that it became even better. If you have paid attention, we not only improve our armies, but also we underestimate their characteristics if characteristics of units or the weapon were more low in a reality.
We hope for meaningful dialogue with you.

Yours faithfully.

p.s. sorry for my bad English. I sometimes write the text itself, and sometimes by means of the machine translator.

[KraMax]

203. unit 416 and 417 - ZPU-2 AAMG and ZPU-4 AAMG – in arms 1949
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...relogneoru/38/
204. unit 410 - SA-7 SAM – name Strela-2 SAM, in arms 1968, in 1970 modernized – name Strela-2M SAM, EW=2
http://pvo.guns.ru/pzrk/strela_05.htm#2
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/14/
205. unit 411 - Strela 3 Team – name Strela-3 SAM
206. units 770 and 771 - SA-18S SAM – name Igla-S SAM, in arms 2002, we offer EW=4 for this type weapons.
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/14/
207. units 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 770 and 771 - Why such small radio?
208. unit 409 – SA-16 SAM – name Igla-1 SAM
209. unit 412 - SA-18 SAM – name Igla SAM
210. unit 413 - SA-18V SAM – name Igla-N SAM
211. SAM Dzhigit - It is intended for placing, prompting on the purpose and single or a volley of start-up of two rockets of type "Igla" to one crew, can work at any time, use external preliminary instructions of the purpose, identify the purposes as "-another's".

The oporno-launcher "Dzhigit" has no analogues on ability to conduct a volley start-up of anti-aircraft missiles SAM. At a volley start-up increase of probability of defeat of the purpose on the average in 1,5 times is provided. Calculation 1 person.
Date not found.
http://www.new-factoria.ru/missile/w...c/igla_c.shtml
http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen...ketcomplex/14/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%...D0%A0%D0%9A%29
http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vsk/pzrk_dp_dzhigit.html
http://gunsrus.narod.ru/djigit.htm
212. unit 328 - RPG-6 Team – we offer remove this unit. Anti-tank pomegranates are not an occasion to allocate from structure squad fighting team - 2 soldiers. In army of the USSR or Russia in separate RPG teams were allocated only heavy and reusable RPG is - RPG-2, RPG-7, RPG-16D, RPG-7V, RPG-29. Such command usually had 5 shells RPG.
Lungs RPG - RPG-18, RPG-22, RPG-26, RPG-27, RPG-28 - are disposable and individual means of struggle of soldiers against tanks. For one squad it was allocated, depending on a task in view, from 50 % to 100 % of lungs RPG for each soldier i.e. squad from 10 persons - could receive or 5 RPG-22 or 10 RPG-22 - all depended on a solved problem it squad.

213. units 766 and 767 – RPG-18 and RPG-22 – we offer remove this units.

214. RPG-2, RPG-7, RPG-7V teams – 5 shells. Why such small radio?

[Marek_Tucan]

212. RPG-6 team represents (if I got it correctly) a tank hunter group as those used frequently in WW2. OOB in SP doesn't include only proper OOB units but also attempts, if feasible, to present some "wartime only" creations.

213. As above.

214. Radio? In theory RPG teams and indeed most of infantry nits should have radio value 0, who in his right mind would bother with carrying RPG/RPG shells AND a radio?