.com.unity Forums
  The Official e-Store of Shrapnel Games

This Month's Specials

Bronze- Save $9.00
winSPMBT: Main Battle Tank- Save $5.00

   







Go Back   .com.unity Forums > The Camo Workshop > WinSPMBT
Notices


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old August 6th, 2022, 01:08 PM

Jorma Jorma is offline
Private
 
Join Date: Jul 2022
Location: Finland
Posts: 31
Thanks: 21
Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post
Jorma is on a distinguished road
Default Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

I have an ongoing campaign as Israel and one of my opponents is Jordan. Getting through the armor a Hussain III tank is very difficult, and none of the artillery that I have is able to get the job done. However, the armor penetration of FASCAM battery is good - the best that I have actually - but it is very costly: 518 points.

I have used FASCAM batteries on heavily armored tanks, namely Al-Hussain of the Jordanese Army, but I have scored no hits. Nothing has ever happened. The number of minelets is usually low and they do not hit anything, and I can honestly say that I have wasted every point that I have ever used on FASCAM batteries. And we are talking about over 1000 points.

The question is that should I continue trying to take out Hussain IIIs with direct hits of FASCAM or should I just use them for mining purposes without trying to hit anyone?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old August 6th, 2022, 01:45 PM
Mobhack's Avatar

Mobhack Mobhack is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dundee
Posts: 5,926
Thanks: 439
Thanked 1,851 Times in 1,216 Posts
Mobhack is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

They are purely for laying of instant minefields, and priced extortionately so as not to allow the player to spam mines all over the map on a whim. They only get 3 sots as well, for the same reason. Shoot 3 times at a choke point to build up the minefield and deny it to the enemy.

They are in no way intended for direct tank killing, that would be cluster ammo arty units job, or Spike NLOS.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Mobhack For This Useful Post:
  #3  
Old August 6th, 2022, 02:16 PM

Jorma Jorma is offline
Private
 
Join Date: Jul 2022
Location: Finland
Posts: 31
Thanks: 21
Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post
Jorma is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobhack View Post
They are purely for laying of instant minefields, and priced extortionately so as not to allow the player to spam mines all over the map on a whim. They only get 3 sots as well, for the same reason. Shoot 3 times at a choke point to build up the minefield and deny it to the enemy.

They are in no way intended for direct tank killing, that would be cluster ammo arty units job, or Spike NLOS.
Thank you for your help, Mobhack. Would you recommend Spike NLOS for my problem?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old August 6th, 2022, 02:48 PM
Mobhack's Avatar

Mobhack Mobhack is offline
National Security Advisor
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dundee
Posts: 5,926
Thanks: 439
Thanked 1,851 Times in 1,216 Posts
Mobhack is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

I did, already. Read the last 2 words of what I posted and you quoted.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Mobhack For This Useful Post:
  #5  
Old August 7th, 2022, 03:35 AM

Jorma Jorma is offline
Private
 
Join Date: Jul 2022
Location: Finland
Posts: 31
Thanks: 21
Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post
Jorma is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

Yes, but I wanted to verify if you were speaking in general or about this case specifically. At any rate, I cannot use NLOS in this version.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old August 7th, 2022, 03:40 AM
Aeraaa's Avatar

Aeraaa Aeraaa is offline
Second Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 592
Thanks: 161
Thanked 345 Times in 208 Posts
Aeraaa is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

Since you have Israel, rely on enough Spike ATGMs that would blot out the sun. Artillery can work, but it's less reliable.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Aeraaa For This Useful Post:
  #7  
Old August 9th, 2022, 09:22 PM
Felix Nephthys's Avatar

Felix Nephthys Felix Nephthys is offline
Corporal
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 128
Thanks: 95
Thanked 67 Times in 39 Posts
Felix Nephthys is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorma View Post
Yes, but I wanted to verify if you were speaking in general or about this case specifically. At any rate, I cannot use NLOS in this version.
If I may, I would say for your situation, since you are most likely using the free version of the game, you need to be using artillery that fires armor piercing shells as Mobhack said. When buying artillery before the game begins, pay close attention to whether or not they have AP shells or not. If it's just HE shells, then keep looking. Also, according to the OOB you're using I think you may not be able to find artillery that are loaded with AP so you may want to try using more dedicated anti-tank weapons and try different tactics. Just my 2 cents here.
__________________
"Never get out of the boat" Apocalypse Now
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old August 9th, 2022, 09:29 PM
Felix Nephthys's Avatar

Felix Nephthys Felix Nephthys is offline
Corporal
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 128
Thanks: 95
Thanked 67 Times in 39 Posts
Felix Nephthys is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorma View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobhack View Post
They are purely for laying of instant minefields, and priced extortionately so as not to allow the player to spam mines all over the map on a whim. They only get 3 sots as well, for the same reason. Shoot 3 times at a choke point to build up the minefield and deny it to the enemy.

They are in no way intended for direct tank killing, that would be cluster ammo arty units job, or Spike NLOS.
Thank you for your help, Mobhack. Would you recommend Spike NLOS for my problem?
By the way, for what it's worth, you can use as many Spike's as you can pay for, but you won't be able to use the NLOS feature of it if you're just playing the free version of the game.
__________________
"Never get out of the boat" Apocalypse Now
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old August 9th, 2022, 10:34 PM
Felix Nephthys's Avatar

Felix Nephthys Felix Nephthys is offline
Corporal
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: CA, USA
Posts: 128
Thanks: 95
Thanked 67 Times in 39 Posts
Felix Nephthys is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorma View Post
I have an ongoing campaign as Israel and one of my opponents is Jordan. Getting through the armor a Hussain III tank is very difficult, and none of the artillery that I have is able to get the job done. However, the armor penetration of FASCAM battery is good - the best that I have actually - but it is very costly: 518 points.

I have used FASCAM batteries on heavily armored tanks, namely Al-Hussain of the Jordanese Army, but I have scored no hits. Nothing has ever happened. The number of minelets is usually low and they do not hit anything, and I can honestly say that I have wasted every point that I have ever used on FASCAM batteries. And we are talking about over 1000 points.

The question is that should I continue trying to take out Hussain IIIs with direct hits of FASCAM or should I just use them for mining purposes without trying to hit anyone?
By the way, would be nice to know what year and month you are playing in the scenario.
__________________
"Never get out of the boat" Apocalypse Now
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old August 10th, 2022, 02:29 AM
FASTBOAT TOUGH's Avatar

FASTBOAT TOUGH FASTBOAT TOUGH is offline
Lieutenant General
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Kingsland, GA.
Posts: 2,676
Thanks: 702
Thanked 1,233 Times in 922 Posts
FASTBOAT TOUGH is on a distinguished road
Fallout Re: Can you help me to understand FASCAM batteries better, please?

Jordan did sign it, but Israel didn't sign, The Ottawa Convention: Signatories and States-Parties banning the use of "CM" munitions.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ottawasigs

Regards,
Pat
__________________
"If something is not impossible, there must be a way of doing it." - Sir Nicholas Winton

"Ex communi periculo, fraternitas" - My career long mentor and current friend -QMCM/SS M. Moher USN Ret..
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, Shrapnel Games, Inc. - All Rights Reserved.