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Old January 21st, 2020, 05:51 PM

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I noted that the latest version of M1A1 HC FEP (Unit 465 and similars) in USMC (OOB 13) has better specs (on fire control, 60 vs 55, and penetration values of M256 Gun with 2016 specs) than US (OOB 12) M1A2C/SEP V3 (Unit 537).

Maybe we should improve M1A2C/SEP V3 values, because it has the 2003 version of M256 gun and ammo, I think the correct gun is the M256 16 like the USMC M1A1 HC FEP

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Old January 21st, 2020, 07:45 PM
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538 is the M1A2 SEP V3-T and it has 60/60 TI/FC AND it has the 2016 version of the gun. You are looking at the wrong unit
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Old January 22nd, 2020, 06:10 AM

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I explain now the question better, sorry.

I reinstalled the game on my newly formatted notebook and I noted the error when playing a 2025 year scenario.

We have unit 538 M1A2SEP V3 in USA OOB that has the correct specs, and it starts in 2017 stops in 2020.

So we have unit 537 M1A2C, the successor of the SEPV3 now, that in game starts in 2018 and stops in 2025, that has incorrect specs, exactly the same specs as the older unit 517 M1A2SEPv2 that starts in 2012 and stops in 2025.

You can easily compare unit 517, 537 and 538.

I think this is definitely an OOB error during the last update, also internet resources say that M1A2SEP V3 and M1A2C are the same thing, so it can be a free slot (we were discussing the thing last year).

https://www.armyrecognition.com/unit..._11710154.html

https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-i...n-battle-tank/

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...2c-tank-111396

https://taskandpurpose.com/m1-abrams-tank-m1a2c

https://www.businessinsider.com/army...m-2019-10?IR=T

I think the Marines are receiving the APS with January 2019 contract

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Glad to know I didn't screw up the various Abrams variants.

It was a bit of a nightmare trying to figure out how the USMC FEP variants differed from the USA A2's (v1 thru v3) compared to each other. To be honest it's 90% "educated" guesswork because little detailed factual data is available on the public record.
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There was talk of putting Trophy on USMC M1A1's.....any info on that ?
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https://www.leonardodrs.com/news/pre...ed-to-us-army/

https://breakingdefense.com/2019/01/...ssile-defense/

https://www.dsiac.org/resources/news...ey-and-stryker

https://www.military.com/daily-news/...-missiles.html

All the sources say the same: Trophy for both Army and Marines Abrams
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There was talk of putting Trophy on USMC M1A1's.....any info on that ?
I KNOW it's been done, the question is how widespread?

I'm of the impression the USMC acquired several Trophy systems but they're not general issue. That is to say those Abrams in Iraq/Afghanistan have them but those in CONUS and afloat do not.

Probably a budget issue, now that the US military budget has increased they'll probably acquire more.
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Well, you just got a M1A1HC FEP-T starting 2019 as a RC 91 as an MBT and CS MBT
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The U.S. Army is still testing the application of the APS system. I've already posted on this issue this past year when I submitted all the ABRAMS issues in the MBT Thread which I'm still working on in putting into the Patch Thread, which now seems to be more important that I get this done by reading these posts.

I guess I should identify what the test bed is to establish a possible timeline when they might be ready. As I already submitted, the MBT in question is the M1A2C (Formally the M1A2 SEP 3) which might reach FOC this Fall (I believe I submitted OCT 2020.) as a best guess.

Because the U.S. Army received around 250 TROPHY units doesn't mean they have them certified for use. There is a high degree of anticipation that they should work without any major configuration or operational modifications needed to support the ABRAMS.
https://news.am/eng/news/498095.html

I DID FIND THIS: "Michigan-based General Dynamics Land Systems was contracted to add the system to an Armor Brigade Combat Team’s M1A2 SEPv2 at a cost of close to $10 million with an expected completion date by the end of March 2019."
This Brigade of tanks was to prepared for rotational deployment to Europe.

However I haven't been able to find anything yet to support it was installed as noted above at that time or after, this includes whether they where actually deployed with it to Europe.

To the BRADLEY, the IRON FIST system due to budget and minor operational testing issues, is at a minimum months behind schedule in getting the systems installed on those platforms compared the ABRAMS.

The STRYKER program will also be delayed to the fact that the ARMY has decided to evaluate the IRON FIST against a German System. Evaluations starts this Summer I believe.

I provided so many refs even from the Army to show in regards to the ABRAMS in particular, that FOC is generally established when X-number of brigades have them, in other words, at their operational combat strength.

About ABRAMS FEP, when I was asked to look into this (And that started the ball rolling on all things ABRAMS last year.), my biggest issue was the speculation that it included armor improvement plan (Some early refs suggested this possibility.) as well. I can't tell you how many hours I put into just that tank alone sorting through the data. The answer was simple and stared me right in the face ready? USMC A1M1 FEP or Firepower Enhancement Program that is all.
Concerning the APS. when comes to the USMC tanks, those improvements follow the ARMY that funds them.

Taking the last sentence of the above para into account, I feel that the USMC might have a platoon or company testing them due to the unique operating environment they'll be transported in and possibly used.

But I can't find it if that's the case though I didn't do a "deep search" into the matter. However, I'll stake my reputation on the fact I strongly believe the USMC will see TROPHY at near pace to the ARMY's full acceptance of that system. But it did take years to get the FEP upgrades, again of which I had many good official refs to.

It might not be worth much but, I feel we just need let this work itself out when the ARMY says it's fully operational which so far it hasn't done.

The M1A2C once operational will most likely be equipped with TROPHY from the start.

Also I just remembered that the BRADLEY is to be equipped with a smaller version of TROPHY, this was another reason for it's delay.

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Postscript: This falls in line with what I've posted and have seen taken from the below ref.
"Last year, the Army chose Trophy APS for its Abrams tanks, as did the Marine Corps. The Army expects to equip four armored brigade combat teams by late 2020."

That coincides to the timeline/or date I submitted for the M1A2C/SEP 3 FOC.
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-...ound-vehicles/
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Well, you just got a M1A1HC FEP-T starting 2019 as a RC 91 as an MBT and CS MBT
Add a TUSK and an MCBS, those two are more likely to be the targets of concentrated ATGM fire.
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