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Old May 1st, 2010, 03:46 PM
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Pansarbataljon 63

The Armoured Battalion of the Armoured Brigades can be described as a sort of standing Task Force - a combined arms Kampfgruppe.

Because Swedish terrain is often limiting, and earlier organisations with pure tank and infantry battalions had not been satisfactory the Armoured Battalions of the Org 63 was characterized by integration of various arms at a low level. Some parts of the battalion were transported in soft vehicles - not ideal but neccessary - there was not enough money to buy or produce tracked SP-artillery etc.

Armoured Battalion org:

HQ
Staff Coy (included command elments and 3 Recce Platoons carried in soft vehicles).
2 Tank Companies
2 Armoured Infantry Companies
Artillery Company (105mm, towed)
Supply Company (included supply elements and a Pioneer Platoon carried in Trucks).

For game purposes I have collected the Battalion platoon size support elements, including the artillery guns, in a company formation named Arm Bn Spt 63.
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I am looking forward to this oob. I have always thought it needed some work. Glad you are doing it Wulfir.
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Nice stuff Wulfir if possible would it be possible to include notes like what you just posted so we know correct usage

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HQ
Staff Coy (included command elments and 3 Recce Platoons carried in soft vehicles).
2 Tank Companies
2 Armoured Infantry Companies
Artillery Company (105mm, towed)
Supply Company (included supply elements and a Pioneer Platoon carried in Trucks
Yugoslavia & Croatia are 2 OOBs I can think of that have notes.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 09:43 AM
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Nice stuff Wulfir if possible would it be possible to include notes like what you just posted so we know correct usage
Sure, that's easy.
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 12:19 PM
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Formation:........Name:

426..............Arm Bn Spt 63

Game organisation of the Armoured Battalion Support Elements:

513 Arm Inf Sec
54 Pbv 302
1427 Arm Bn Recce Pl (New Formation)
1427 Arm Bn Recce Pl (New Formation)
1427 Arm Bn Recce Pl (New Formation)
1428 Arm Pioneer Plt (New Formation)
1050 Arm Arty (Bn) (Changed formation)

Notes: The Command element transport might be changed to a Stripbv 3021 (Command version of the Pbv 302). I might need to adjust the place of or remove the 313 Arm Arty (Bn) Plt - the game reads formations from bottom to top, I've been told.


Formation:........Name:

427..............Arm Bn Recce Pl

495 Recon Group
495 Recon Group
495 Recon Group
212 LMG Team
170 AT-inf grg
569 Pltgb 903
569 Pltgb 903
569 Pltgb 903

Notes: This formation is a compromise. A Bn Recce Plt had a Platoon command element and three recce squads of each 5 men. The Platoon heavy weapons included 3 LMGs and 1 Grg. The primary purpose was however recon, not fighting. This game organisation is close to the real one in the number of platoon personell but with less firpower. All teams are size 0. Although the platoon has some bite it has no staying power - making it useful for scouting but not fighting. Many of the other OOB 066 Scout teams are size 1 and has the same weapon layout as regular infantry sections. It does also save me from creating new scout teams as I need classes for other types of scouts.


Formation:........Name:

428..............Arm Pioneer Plt

720 Arm Pioneer Sec (New Unit)
720 Arm Pioneer Sec (New Unit)
720 Arm Pioneer Sec (New Unit)
553 Heavy Truck
553 Heavy Truck
553 Heavy Truck

Notes: Pioneer Platoons were usually found within the Battalion organisation in various types of brigades and independent battalions. It was an engineer unit but Engineer Platoons were usually found in Engineer Companies. The Armoured Pioneers did not have LMGs but older HMGs with a secondary AAMG role. Lack of suitable Anti Air was somthing that plauged the Armoured Brigade org 63 for a long time.


Formation:........Name:

050..............Arm Arty (Bn)

Change: Changed the end date to 12/101.
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Default Re: OOB 066 Sweden [WIP]

Special "Command" versions of anything are a very bad thing to do in the game.

They have no special abilities like in other wargames (increased radios so they can be on several nets etc, say).

They do tell the human opponent that they are a priority target, though. If you spot something it is identified!. And they introduce another unit class into the OOB that has to be tracked for changes etc. as well as the regular APC or tank it is based on.

Same goes for infantry - someone gifted the WW2 Germans with nice "KPFue" special elements, so I know precisely which ones to kill first to decapitate the company command !. (You can also do the same when playing the British, since coy HQ use a different unit class from the normal infantry, although they are not given a specific "kill me first" name. Someting one of the third-party OOB designers slipped into my OOB, so they could have an SMG or something? - I certainly would not have done it that way, but used a standard element as coy HQ).

So if it brings nothing that the normal APC or infantry element does to the game system - simply use the regular element. Then your opponent does not get a free gift for targeting HQs.

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So if it brings nothing that the normal APC or infantry element does to the game system...
This is true, it would add nothing to the game except maybe cosmetics.
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Formation changed


Formation................Name

017...................... Arm. Inf Pl 63


Plt organisation:

124 Arm Inf Section
124 Arm Inf Section
709 Arm Inf Section (New unit)
53 Pbv 301
53 Pbv 301
53 Pbv 301


Change: The new units 709 Arm Inf Section, 710 Arm Inf Section, 711 Arm Inf Section and 712 Arm Inf Section are all class 72 Light Mech Infantry. Identical in all stats (cost, radio code etc) to the existing 124, 125, 126 and 124 Arm Inf Sections except the weapons - the new units do not have any LMG. The Arm Inf platoon had 3 Grg but only two LMGs. Usually it was the first section that lacked the LMG as it carried mine clearance gear - but I made it the last section in the OOB - to avoid the Plt HQ being spotted by human players.

(During the cold war the Swedish army suffred from a lack of adequat number of modern small arms.)
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New formation


Formation................Name

441.....................Arm Eng Co 63


Company organisation:

686 Engineer Sec (New unit)
140 Recon Sec
589 Pltgb 903
570 Tgb 1/2t (jeep)
1442 Arm Eng Plt 63 (New formation)
1442 Arm Eng Plt 63 (New formation)

Notes: This formation represents the Armoured Engineer companies found in the Armoured Brigade Engineer Battalion. Each Arm Eng Bn had two Eng Coy's along with some other elements that fall outside the scope of the game. Armoured in name only, as it was transported in trucks, the company nevertheless was expected to be able to deal with some combat assignments. In reality it had a third platoon - the Machine Plt - manning certain engineer vehicles (left this plt out as the machine plt builds roads, plow snow etc)

New formation


Formation................Name

442.....................Arm Eng Pl 63


Plt organisation:

686 Engineer Sec (New unit)
686 Engineer Sec (New unit)
686 Engineer Sec (New unit)
692 Eng Spt Sec (New unit)
657 Ltgb 934 (New unit)
657 Ltgb 934 (New unit)
657 Ltgb 934 (New unit)
657 Ltgb 934 (New unit)

Notes: The Plt had four squads - three engineer sections (without heavy weapons) and one engineer support section with two LMGs and one Grg. Units 686 Engineer Sec, 687 Engineer Sec, 688 Engineer Sec and 689 Engineer Sec are all class 20 Engineer units with similar cost and equipment as existing eng units, although none have flamethrowers. Units 692 Eng Spt Sec and 693 Eng Spt Sec are class 195 Engineer Support Squad. Ltgb 934 is a medium truck, with something of a cult status that was in use between the 60s and 90s.
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New formation


Formation................Name

437.....................ArmBde AT Co 63


Company Org:

709 Arm Inf Section
569 Pltgb 903
1438 ATGM Sec 63 (New formation)
1438 ATGM Sec 63 (New formation)
1438 ATGM Sec 63 (New formation)
1048 AT Troop Pvtgb
1048 AT Troop Pvtgb
1439 Rifle Plt (AT)* (New formation)

Notes: Each Brigade had an AT Company. The ATGM platoon had 6 ATGM launchers and 3 Grg. The AT Platoon had 4 Pvtgb 1111. I have broken these into sections to fit all the transport and give the formation some flexibility.


New formation

Formation................Name

438.....................ATGM Sec 63


Section Org:

185 BANTAM Team
185 BANTAM Team
170 AT-inf Grg
569 Pltgb 903

Notes: Formation uses units now present in the OOB. No modifications.



New formation

Formation................Name

439.....................Rifle Plt (AT)*


Plt organisation:

125 Arm Inf Section
125 Arm Inf Section
213 Support Team (New unit)
213 Support Team (New unit)
218 8mm Ksp m/36
218 8mm Ksp m/36
657 Ltgb 934 (New unit)
657 Ltgb 934 (New unit)

Notes: The Brigade AT Coy included a bizzare rifle platoon. It had two rifle sections and two at sections but an unusual number of heavy weapons, including 4 LMGs, 4 Grgs and 2 HMGs. Unit 213 is a 5 man, size 1, support element - that might be revised as it has the LMG in slot 1. When the HMGs go out of service by 12/94 they are currently not replaced by any similar weapon.
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