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Old April 18th, 2017, 01:40 AM

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Default Re: Finland OOB v11

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Oops, armor values seem to be wrong, too.

Modify: Unit 321, End date 12/2002
Modify: Unit 322, Vision: 40. Copy armor data for hull (and survivability) from Leo 2A4 unit.
Add: Copy of current Unit 321 with Vision 40, start date 1/2000 to represent the ItPsv 90 AA vehicles after TI installation.
You twice mentioned "Copy of current Unit 321 with Vision 40, start date 1/2000" but neither time did you specify an end date and to avoid this dance again next year that end date would be worth knowing...otherwise I have to assume it's 12/115[/quote]

Correct, the non-TI unit ItPsv 90 AA (T-55M based) should be spanning 1/1991-12/2002 and TI equipped version 1/2000-12/2015.
Leo2 should then be 1/2016-12/2025.
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Old December 29th, 2017, 05:41 AM

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Default Re: Finland OOB v11

The Coast Jaeger LCGs in OOB v11 seem to lag a bit behind the recent developments:

LCGs

All the changes below are in downloadable Obat065.obf in Unit slots
237, 801, 802, 803, 804: http://www.venhola.com/winspmbt/Obat065.obf

Unit 237 - (Meri)Uisko class:
last use year was 2005 [1] or 2007 [2], possibly depending on the definition of "use"; i.e. 2005 it may have been out of active duty and in 2007 removed from the equipment lists. According to Wikipedia (which refers to Navy site on a page that's expired and I couldn't find in archives) the first Uisko class boats were made of plywood (and not by Marine Alutech) but from 1983 to 1986 the 200-series were made of aluminium alloy (Watercat M11).
[1] http://www.museomilitaria.fi/ajankoh...messuvieraita/
[2] https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-8212582

Modify unit 237: Meriuisko
Start date: 1/83
End date: 12/107

Uisko was replaced by
Jurmo class (Watercat M12):

Copy of unit 800 with following modifications:
Unit class: 46
Start date: 1/101
End date: 12/125 (They will be getting a MLU in 2017-2019[1])
Crew: 2
Carry: 125
Icon: ?
Weapon 1: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90

and

Copy of 800 as above but:
Start date: 1/105 (40mm AGL taken into use then)
Weapon 1: (242) 40mm AGL

The now-expired page on navy site listed:
Quote:
Built 2000-2004
Produced by Marine Alutech Oy, Teijo
Id numbers 601-638
Displacement 13 tn
Length 14 m
Width 3,5 m
Draught 0,8 m
Speed over 30 kn
Engine power 3*313 kW
Carry capacity 25 persons or 2500 kg
Crew 2 persons
[1]http://www.defmin.fi/ajankohtaista/tiedotteet/2016?8173_m=8154
[2]http://www.marinealutech.com/boats/landing_crafts/watercat_m12

Jehu class (Watercat M18 AMC):
Delivered 6/2015 [1], listed as having 3x12.7mm + 3x7.62mm MGs and 40mm AGL [2], but other references state that it's equipment is 12.7mm NSV MG or 40mm AGL with a coax 7.62 PKM MG on a Saab Trackfire RWS[3] and non-turret 2 x 12.7mm AAMG.

Navy press release (quoted in https://maanpuolustus.net/threads/me....55/post-65347)
Quote:
Navy to order fast transport boats

Navy has signed a contract Oct 15th 2012 with Finnish Marine Alutech Ltd. Contract consists of acquisition of 12 boats with an option of additional units.

...

Boats are to be taken in use between 2014 and 2016.

...

The main mission of the boats is to transport fighting units in coastal regions. Compared to the previous these are of new generation in tech.

...

The boats are multipurpose, faster, have more versatile equipment and better ballistic protection. They have a wide ranging sensor systems and weapons for self protection. They will be equipped with RWS.

The navigation and fighting tasks are supported by wide array of sensors, including thermal imaging camera, daytime camera, radar and sonar. Seating inside is for up to 25 soldiers.

...

U700-class
-registered capacity: 32
-length 19 m
-width 5 m
-sustained speed when loaded >35 kn
-top speed >40 kn
Copy of unit 800 with following modifications:
Unit class: 46
Start date: 6/115
End date: 12/125
Size: 6
Swim: 28 (A bit faster than Jurmo class)
Crew: 6
Carry: 125
Armour, steel: 4 all around, 3 on top
Armour, HEAT: 6 all around, 4 on top
Fire control: 20
Range Finder: 22
Stabiliser: 5
Vision: 40
Weapon 1: (69) 12.7 NSV TMG, Ammo: 90
Weapon 2: (64) 7.62 PKT CMG, Ammo: 120
Weapon 3: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90
Weapon 4: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90
OR
Weapon 1: (242) 40mm AGL, Ammo: 45 HE + 15 HEAT
Weapon 2: (64) 7.62 PKT CMG, Ammo: 120
Weapon 3: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90
Weapon 4: (52) 12.7 NSVT AAMG, Ammo: 90

[1]https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000002829109.html
[2]http://merivoimat.fi/documents/1951215/2015876/JEHU-luokka/8c36c210-310a-411b-ae90-c5081c535d7f
[3]http://saabgroup.com/Media/news-press/news/2012-12/Trackfire-RWS-Hits-the-Mark-for-the-Finnish-Amphibious-Market/
[4]http://www.marinealutech.com/boats/landing_crafts/watercat_m18_amc

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Default Re: Finland OOB v11

Done.......

I hope to get the chance to update those Icons.......... ( hope..)

EDIT...... if you find a top down line drawing of the Watercat M12 let me know.... I found the Watercat M18 easy enough but not the M12 ( having written that I will no doubt find it in the next five minutes.......)

What I have done for now is a generic modern attack boat that sorta-kinda looks like most of the ones from various nations I saw photos of that is at least better than the ones in the files now
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Fallout Re: Finland OOB v11

What you have looks pretty good! Don't know if these will help or not, because I can't seem to find a drawing for the aspect you wanted. But then this information might still prove useful in other areas. If ref. 2 doesn't go to the M12 article, it's on page 58 otherwise.
http://www.marinealutech.com/boats/l...s/watercat_m12
http://www.ctje.nl/dl/Books/Marine%2...g%20201311.pdf


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Exclamation Re: Finland OOB v11

The first link I had seen but not the second.

Because work is piling up and I don't have the luxury of excess time what I have done is created 3 or 4 version in different camo of the example I showed plus one each with the superstructure in different locations...it's not the ideal solution but it IS better than the choices available before

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It is that fun time of year again and of course what a wonderful way to start the New Year for you guys as well!?! . But seriously, they look great again. But that top one is definitely the M12 without a doubt, as it matches the only pictures of the M12 I've come across. With CREW, I was a little surprised by the carry of 20 or 22 (Don't remember now.) passengers/troops.

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