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Old September 15th, 2017, 07:11 AM
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GL smoke is for target marking or signaling. It does not make a suitable screen volume of smoke.

Good point...that saves time for other things
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Piwbl, just about BMGs... not sure if you ever sat in one of those. You have very poor vision and X/Y axis mobility. You are limited to ironsights rather than main gun aiming devices.
In short: you give up your effective firing range for protected gunner. Makes sense to me.
I haven't seat in one of those, but is there much difference from turret mounted TMG, often in the same mountings in armoured cars and old tanks?... (I'm letting alone CMGs, which usually have rigid mounting and sights common with a gun). In the game there's a huge difference 10 vs 24 hexes. On the other hand, many - or maybe most - BMGs had optical sights with some magnification (like Polish wz.25 in TKS tankette, Soviet DT, Besa...)
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Its a movie but it is one of the few that briefly shows the bow gunner from inside. You notice in the M4 he is looking out the periscope well above the gun and must observe his burst to correct on target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHzIVQxhV7c
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You notice in the M4 he is looking out the periscope well above the gun and must observe his burst to correct on target.
However, some BMGs had a telescope sight, like Besa (at least newer mountings), Soviet DT (in T-34 at least - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...tyaryov_DT.JPG) and Polish wz.25 of TKS tankette (but not the one in TK-3 tankette). There was of course a limited field of view, but it's not a matter of range, I think.

BTW: Polish TKS tankette had wz.25 MG in the same mounting as turret mounted TMG in wz.34 AC, which has bigger range. However, weapon #228 in Polish OOB 7.92 wz.25 TMG has probably too high range 30 - should be 24 for such caliber TMGs. Unless we consider telescope sights...
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However, some BMGs had a telescope sight, like Besa (at least newer mountings), Soviet DT (in T-34 at least - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...tyaryov_DT.JPG) and Polish wz.25 of TKS tankette (but not the one in TK-3 tankette). There was of course a limited field of view, but it's not a matter of range, I think.
I believe the T-34 "sight" you refer to is a post-war modification. You'll notice that the sight does not go all the way to the sighting hole in the MG mantlet. I suspect the modification is made to give the hull-gunner a place to rest his forehead and align his view with the hole in the mantlet. Not sure how much of a sight it actually is - perhaps more a viewing aid.

I found a drawing here (1949 manual): https://www.scribd.com/doc/60892532/...5-%D0%A2%D0%9E . Scroll down to page 74.
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On page 19 there is an info, that BMG had a telescope sight PPU-8-T with a magnification 1.15x (probably - poor scan quality) and a field of view 25 degree. It was scaled to 400, 600, 800, 1000 m. On page 90 there is a cross-section of the sight itself.

On the other hand, PzKpfw-IIIE had a BMG with a telescope sight KZF 2 with 1.8x magnification and 18 degree field of view.
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Correct me if I am wrong but if anything with the exception of perhaps co axial machine guns if anything tank mg are more powerful than they should be. Reducing range or indeed the accuracy of the weapon to compensate makes sense especially if talking modern era tanks.
My understanding is firecontrol, rangefinder, giro stats apply to all weapons so if anything they are to accurate.
BMG in general & just guessing are really more for close defence or pinning the enemy.
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Hi again

In many OOBs, including Great Britains there are weapons called MG (wpn 157) mounted in what is usually designated an AAMG position (on top), (Units 284 and 456 for example) these MGs have a range of 12 and dont shoot at planes.

The reason this MG category gets a range of 12 is because of its simple mounting, equivalent to a bipod LMG. Many AAMGs have the same simple mounting but get a range of 24. I think some of these AAMG should be changed to range 12 MGs. I think this is an important change to make where applicable, because even though the range 24 AAMGs may engage planes at roughly OK ranges, 24 is too long a range for shooting at ground targets from a simple mount. These AAMGs rarely fire at planes, they are used for destroying infantry in which role the 24 instead of 12 range means they destroy much more infantry than they really should. This gives armoured formations in particular much more infantry killing power than they really had.

30 cal BMG gets a range of 10 hexes, 30 cal LMG gets 12, 30 cal AAMG 24, 30 cal CMG 24, 30 cal MMG 24, 30 cal HMG 30, same gun in all cases but different ranges depending on the mounting.

At the moment AAMGs have the same range and accuracy as tripod mounted MMGs or a Coaxial MG. A MMG is firmly fixed at two points to a heavy tripod whereas the AAMG is swung about on a central pivot and so is prone to vibration, so comparably much less accurate. The MMG has little gear wheels to allow the tiny adjustments needed to adjust fire at and so hit distant targets whereas the AAMG is elevated and traversed by hand. Coaxial MGs have the benefit of firing in a more stable mounting with a telescopic sight justifying the 24 range. AAMGs fire over an open sight. Hitting something at 600m over open sights is very difficult, a hit at 1200m is not really possible without the tripod or telescopic sight. Hittig a fast moving fleeting, unannounced and unlikely to return target such as a plane at over 600m is even more unlikely.

Field Mamual 23-65 for the 50 cal describes how to engage a plane, first the shots must be brought -on line- then adjusted for -lead- by -sensing-
The manuel goes on to say,
Accurate tracer sensings are difficult even under the best of conditions.
Also a plane travelling at a conservative 200mph at 500 yards distance requires a lead of 70 yards at its closeset point, so knowing the range to the plane is also vital, but usually unknown, constantly changing, and most top mounted AAMGs have no AA sight to judge the correct lead. In any case if you read the manual fully it is soon apparent it takes time to engage a plane successfully it is not simply a matter of walking the tracer onto the target as in a ground target. Also many of the AAMGs are on vehicles where the user would not have been trained how to aquire, track and lead an aircraft target.
So to qualify as an AAMG either the gunner needs to be able to freely rotate the gun all the way around him, or he needs to be able to freely rotate himself all the way around the gun so he has enough time to effectively engage the target as per the procedure in FM 23-65.

For example If the gun is mounted on a turret with a pintle mount and the commander is in the cupola he can probably only cover about 30 degrees of the 360 in the sky, has insufficient elevation, and no AA sight to judge lead. So it is virtually impossible to track a plane long enough to bring the bullets onto target if the gun and firer are fixed in position this way. So this configuration is MG. If the gunner has to negotiate obstacles as he rotates himself around a fixed AAMG as in the back of a Universal Carrier that will interrupt his aim enough to qualify as MG. Even though a Hanomag 251's rear MG can cover maybe one quarter of the sky and has better than most elevation ability I determine it as a MG as the firer still has little ability to move about and so track the plane long enough to get onto target from the back of a cramped 251.
The effectiveness of these types of mount are probably roughly equivalent to an infantryman taking a pot shot with his LMG.
Lastly many SP guns carried a loose LMG which could be clamped to a gun shield. MG reflects this configuration better than AAMG. pictures show it is rarely clamped in place anyway, normally left loose.

Jamie Prenatt's book Polish armour of the blitzkrieg says this in reference to the wz.29 armoured car.
The turret also had an antiaircraft mount, but its use was discontinued in the mid-1930s when increasing aircraft speed made it impractical.

So Ive done a survey of all the AAMGs that are less than 20mm to see what the effect is in the OOBs of these changes. Every unit that has an AAMG less than 20mm is included. Where the AAMG is mounted the same as Great Britains wpn 157 MG Ive recommended it change to MG.

For M3 Halftracks if the picture shows no ring mount then I've recomended change to MG
For turret top MG removal. Recommend for Great Britain (British policy) and Commonwealth countries. Retain for China, Italy as I think they may have been supplied by USA and retain if I think they are captured from USA, Japan. Yugosalvia, Greece I assume are Great Britain supplied. If an OOB includes a Firefly I assume they are supplied by Great Britain, Poland. I am unsure what French/Belgian/Netherlands policy was on turret top MGs though they are possibly sourced from USA Ive put in remove. If unsure Ive removed them as most verifyable photos show none.
Also most period pictures of the vehicles wich in the game have an AAMG show the vehicle without an AAMG. Russian T26 and BTs for example.

Gordon Rottmans book, WW2 infantry anti-tank tactics says the Marines often removed the turret MG as the japanese jumped on top and used them against the Marines.

USA unit 383 T1E2 Halftrack seems wrong and maybe didnt see service. the book M3 Halftrack in action says this.
T1E1 - M2 based mobile anti-aircraft gun featuring an open rear with a Bendix mount featuring two .50 inch (12.7 mm) M2 machine guns. The Bendix mount proved to be unsatisfactory. Prototype only. T1E2 - T1 with Maxson M33 mount in the place of the Bendix mount. The M33 mount also featured two .50 inch M2 machine guns. Would be developed into the M3 based T1E4.
In Spanish Repubic OOB Weapon 215 50cal Quad AAMG appears on unit 271 - Guardacosta I cant establish a quad 50 cal existing in 1930.
In Spain OOB Weapon 215 50cal Quad AAMG appears on unit 554 - Guardacosta I cant establish a quad 50 cal existing in 1936.
Waterbourne AAMGs all remain AAMGs
Various errors in the OOBs are noted where they appear in the list. Some of the AAMGs are incapable of AA fire, the hetzer AAMG for example.

spob01 Slovac Republic
---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
034 - Marder III H

spob02 Poland
---017 Vickers AA-Gun (not used)
---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
633 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 005 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG)
901 - SdKfz 251/1 (Rear MG mount only covers a little less than half the sky)
---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 124)
008 - Stuart II (Remove)
009 - Stuart VI (Remove)
015 - Stuart V (Remove)
018 - Sherman III (Remove)
026 - Sherman III (Remove)
027 - Sherman V (Remove)
028 - Sherman Firefly (Remove)
045 - Staghound
047 - Halftrack
066 - White Scout Car
114 - Buffalo IV (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.)
124 - Halftrack AOP (Leave as AAMG, has ring mount)
136 - Halftrack SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
166 - 75mm SP Autocar (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
200 - Sherman Firefly (Remove)
201 - Sherman V (Remove)
203 - Sherman IIA (Remove)
429 - M-H IV
491 - Stuart Recce
---140 50 cal AAMG (Change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
029 - Sherman IB (Remove)
030 - Sherman Crab (Remove)
114 - Buffalo IV (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.)
130 - M10 3in
132 - M10 17
133 - M10 17 pdr
---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for 187,188)
014 - Valentine VIII
033 - Wasp
036 - Sexton (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 209 .303 Bren MG)
131 - Archer (I can find no photographic evidence for an AAMG in this vehicle)
187 - Humber LRC III (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully)
188 - Otter II (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully)
430 - M-H II
433 - Humber Scout II
434 - Humber Scout I
435 - Beaverette (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 209 .303 Bren MG)
436 - Beaverette (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 209 .303 Bren MG)
437 - M-H III
479 - Rolls-Royce A/C
---199 50 cal (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
184 - Staghound AA
---203 Quad 13.2 AAMG (not used)
---204 wz.30 (2) AAMG (Dedicated shipboard AA mount, leave range at 24)
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/344314333988235941
510 - Krakow
511 - Krakow
512 - Warszawa
513 - Warszawa
514 - Warszawa
516 - Torun
517 - Torun
519 - Pinsk
520 - Pinsk
521 - Horodyszcze
522 - Horodyszcze
523 - Horodyszcze
524 - Chodkiewicz
525 - Chodkiewicz
527 - Gen. Sikorski
528 - Gen. Sikorski
533 - Admiral Dickman
534 - Admiral Dickman
535 - Gen. Szeptycki
536 - Sobieski
541 - Wilno
542 - Wilno
---205 7.92 wz.08 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
469 - 7.92 wz.08 AAMG
549 - Taczanka wz.28 (safe to change to 12 or replace with wpn 123 7.92 wz.08 HMG to give 30 range.)
919 - Kanonierka
920 - Jaskolka class
---206 7.92 wz.30 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
548 - Taczanka wz.30 (safe to change to 12 or replace with wpn 231 7.92 wz.30 HMG to give 30 range.)
773 - wz.30 AAMG [2]
---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
183 - M16
---219 7.92 wz.25 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
418 - wz.25 AAMG [2] (picture is a tripod HMG mount)
538 - Kanonierka Z
539 - CKU Nieuchwytny
569 - Wz.29 Ursus (change from AAMG to MG)
705 - PZInz 160 (change from AAMG to MG)
---226 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Dedicated shipboard AA mount, leave range at 40)
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR...ional_Pictures
515 - Krakow
525 - Chodkiewicz
527 - Gen. Sikorski
528 - Gen. Sikorski
530 - KU-30
534 - Admiral Dickman
543 - Wilno

spob03 Manchukuo
---234 7.7 Type92 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
155 - Type 92 AAMG
242 - Shohatsu
244 - Armed Daihatsu
247 - Daihatsu
---235 13mm(2)T93 AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
http://www.ww2incolor.com/japan/weap...kiss132_2.html
124 - Gunboat
158 - 13mm Twin AAMG

spob04 Italian Social Republic
---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
082 - SMV 38(t) (not an AA gun change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG)
---133 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR...ional_Pictures
295 - Art Marittima
470 - Pattugliatori
471 - Pattugliatori
536 - X-Motosilurante
578 - Art Costiera
---136 13.2mm M31 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes)
468 - MGCA Breda 13.2
---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
053 - Semovente Wespe (not an AA mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG)
351 - Semovente IIIg (not an AA gun change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG)

spob05 Japan
---139 30 cal AAMG (Safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
148 - M3 Stuart
---140 50 cal AAMG (Safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
149 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
336 - M3-Halftrack (Cannot see the mounting)
---141 .303 Bren AAMG (Safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
333 - M-H II (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the TMG)
---234 7.7 Type92 AAMG (safe to change range to 12)
023 - Chiyoda A/C (As this is a one man turret maybe this can be removed leaving the TMG)
024 - Ho-Ha
103 - Ho-Ki
109 - Toyota Su-Ki (Very little on this, it looks to have had no armament)
155 - Type 92 AAMG
242 - Shohatsu
244 - Armed Daihatsu
247 - Daihatsu
---235 13mm(2)T93 AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
http://www.ww2incolor.com/japan/weap...kiss132_2.html
124 - Gunboat
158 - 13mm Twin AAMG
241 - Ch-13 class PT
---242 13mm T93 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes)
126 - Type 4 Ka-Tsu
198 - 13mm Twin AAMG (Typo, Is meant to be single mount I think)

spob06 France
---78 7.5mm FM29 AAMG (not used)
---133 50 cal (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
293 - M15A1 AAMC
---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
069 - White Scout Car
075 - M3 Stuart (Remove)
076 - M5A1 Stuart (Remove)
088 - M20 Scout (Remove, Still has the 50 cal AAMG didnt have 2 AAMGs)
089 - M3A1 Scout
091 - M3 Halftrack
094 - Jeep
096 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
098 - M20 Scout OP (Remove, Still has the 50 cal AAMG didnt have 2 AAMGs)
132 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
133 - M4 81mm MMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
134 - 60mm Mor H/T (Apparently this vehicle did not exist)
166 - Buffalo IV (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.)
290 - Scout Jeep
292 - M3-MG Halftrack
318 - M20 Scout (Remove, Still has the 50 cal AAMG didnt have 2 AAMGs)
319 - White Scout Car
---140 50 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 084, 087, 088, 098, 229, 292, 294, 295, 318, 339)
049 - M4A2 (Remove)
069 - White Scout Car
070 - M4A2 (Remove)
071 - M4A3 (76) (Remove)
072 - M4A2 (Remove)
073 - M4A2 (Late) (Remove)
074 - M24 Chaffee (Remove)
078 - M4A4 (Remove)
082 - M10 76mm
083 - M10 3 in
084 - M7 Priest (Has ring mount)
087 - M8 Greyhound (Has ring mount)
088 - M20 Scout (Has ring mount)
089 - M3A1 Scout
098 - M20 Scout OP (Has ring mount)
105 - M19 SPAA-Gun (cannot find any evidence this has a 50 cal)
107 - M4A3 (105) (Remove)
134 - 60mm Mor H/T (Apparently this vehicle did not exist)
157 - Hetzer (not an AA gun mount in orig form or change to MG)
158 - Panzer 4 (Remove, unsure if they followed the American AAMG practice, if so change to MG)
160 - M4A3 (76) (Remove)
166 - Buffalo IV (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.)
227 - Armoured Jeep
229 - 2&1/2 w/AAMG (Has ring mount)
290 - Scout Jeep
292 - M3-MG Halftrack (Has ring mount)
294 - 50 Cal AA (Leave as AAMG)
295 - 50 Cal AA (Leave as AAMG)
298 - Obusier M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
300 - M4 (Remove)
301 - M4A1 (Remove)
302 - M4A3 (Remove)
303 - M4A1 (76) (Remove)
304 - M4A3 (75) (Remove)
318 - M20 Scout (Has ring mount)
319 - White Scout Car
339 - M3 Halftrack (Has ring mount)
---148 .303 Bren AAMG (Safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
172 - Dingo (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG)
305 - M-H II 25mm (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1)
310 - M-H II ATR
311 - M-H III ATR
314 - Humber Scout I
315 - Humber Scout II
322 -
---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
086 - M16 SPAA
---225 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
030 - 13.2mm AAMG
---228 13.2mm M31 AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated twin AA mount in both units. At the moment you have it as a single)
203 - Laffly S20T AA
204 - Citroen P19 AA

spob07 Great Britain
---115 Quad Besa AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 24)
106 - Mk VI AA
377 - Guy AA Mk.I
388 - Humber AA Mk.I
510 - Motor AS Boat
513 - Patrol Boat
515 - Coast Guard
---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for unit 100, 314, 318)
003 - Honey (Remove)
004 - Stuart VI (Remove)
021 - Sherman IIA (Remove)
022 - Sherman V (Remove)
023 - Sherman V (Remove)
024 - Sherman DD (Remove)
025 - VC Firefly (Remove)
026 - Sherman IB (Remove)
050 - Staghound
052 - Halftrack
058 - Buffalo IV
100 - Higgins Boat (Leave as AAMG)
111 - Staghound AOP
117 - VC Firefly (Remove)
131 - Halftrack SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
151 - Centurion Mk.2 (Remove)
154 - Centurion Mk.1 (Remove)
179 - White Scout Car
185 - Honey (Remove)
188 - M3 SP 75mm (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
189 - M3 SP 6 Pdr (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
194 - Sherman V (Remove)
198 - VC Firefly (Remove)
199 - M3 SP 75mm (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
200 - M3 SP 75mm (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
221 - VC Firefly (Remove)
222 - VC Firefly (Remove)
255 - Honey II (Remove)
296 - Honey (Remove)
302 - Sherm Hybrid IC (Remove)
306 - Buffalo IV
306 - Buffalo IV
310 - M3 SP 75mm SPA (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
312 - Halftrack SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
314 - LCA (Leave as AAMG)
318 - LVT-4(F) (Leave as AAMG)
358 - M-H IV
490 - Honey Recce
710 - Buffalo II
---140 50 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 046, 057)
040 - Sherman Crab II (Remove)
044 - M10 17 pdr
046 - Priest (Has ring mount)
056 - 2 M29C Weasels (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed)
057 - DUKW ( (Keep as AAMG, can have a ring mount))
058 - Buffalo IV
058 - Buffalo IV
141 - Sherman IIA (Remove)
155 - M10 17 pdr
162 - Halftrack 50cal
187 - M10 3in
223 - M10 17 pdr
269 - M29 Weasel (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed)
305 - King Cobra (Remove)
335 - Chaffee (Remove)
406 - Priest Kangaroo
519 - LRDG Jeep
710 - Buffalo II
---141 50 cal (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
158 - M15A1
163 - Staghound AA
---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 167, 361, 362, 549, 508, 511, 512, 514)
031 - Valentine IX (Remove)
043 - Archer (I can find no photographic evidence for an AAMG in this vehicle)
047 - Sexton (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 157 .303 Bren MG)
128 - Wasp
138 - Avenger (Remove)
147 - Valentine IX (Remove)
149 - Dingo AOP (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG)
167 - LCPL (Leave as AAMG)
356 - M-H II (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the CMG)
357 - M-H III (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the T/CMG)
361 - Humber LRC II (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully)
362 - Humber LRC III (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully)
364 - Valentine II (Remove)
365 - Valentine III (Remove)
366 - Valentine IX (Remove)
367 - Valentine IX (Remove)
374 - Valentine X (Remove)
378 - Valentine X (Remove)
380 - Humber Scout I
381 - Humber Scout II
407 - Sherm Kangaroo
508 - Merchant Marine (Leave as AAMG)
511 - Motor Launch (Leave as AAMG)
512 - Harbour Defence (Leave as AAMG)
514 - Insect Class (Replace with wpn 010 20mm Polsten AA)
549 - Otter II (Leave as AAMG, can traverse fully)
584 - Bren AAMG
601 - Morris CS9/LAC (MG is mounted in front turret plate, replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG or change to wpn. 157 .303 Bren MG)
603 - Rolls-Royce AC
604 - Morris CS9/LAC
605 - M-H II MG (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the T/CMG)
606 - M-H II ATR
607 - M-H II 2pdr (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1)
608 - M-H II 20mm (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1)
609 - M-H II 37mm (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1)
610 - M-H II 47mm (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1)
633 - Home Guard MG
733 - Tetrarch ICS (Remove)
985 - Churchill SPG (Remove)
986 - Covenanter (Remove)
987 - Covenanter CS (Remove)
---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
159 - M16
515 - Coast Guard

spob08 Vichy France
---225 13.2mm (2) AAMG (Dedicated AA mount, leave range at 40)
030 - 13.2mm AAMG
---228 13.2mm M31 AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated twin AA mount. At the moment you have it as a single)
203 - Laffly S20T

spob09 Polish LWP
---113 Quad Maxim AAMG AA (safe to change range to 12 hexes, pintle mounted has no traverse or elevation gear)
176 - GAZ-AAMG
---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
053 - T-3 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG)
054 - T-38 (75mm) (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG)
---137 7.62mm SG43AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
123 - SG43 AAMG[1] (Picture is ground Mount)
124 - SG43 AAMG[3] (Picture is ground Mount)
---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
050 - SdKfz 250/10
051 - SdKfz 251/1 (+)
---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
026 - M4A2 (76) (Remove if British origin or leave if an American loan vehicle)
---141 12.7 DShK AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes)
023 - IS-2 m1944 (Ring Mount)
036 - ISU-122 (Ring Mount)
037 - ISU-122s (Ring Mount)
039 - ISU-152 (Ring Mount)
040 - ISU-152 (Ring Mount)
041 - ISU-152 (Ring Mount)
125 - DSzK AAMG[1]
126 - DSzK AAMG[3]
232 - ST Class
233 - MO-D-3 Class
239 - Coastal Steamer
---173 7.62mm DT AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
048 - Mk 1
049 - M2 Halftrack
---188 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
046 - M3A1 Scout Car
---191 30 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
046 - M3A1 Scout Car
---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount)
047 - M17
235 - Kormoran class
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Default Re: Tank machine guns

part 2

spob11 Soviet Union
---115 Quad Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, pintle mounted has no traverse or elevation gear)
039 - GAZ-AAMG
568 - Maxim(x4) AAMG
---116 Maxim (2) AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, pintle mounted has no traverse or elevation gear)
569 - Maxim(x2) AAMG
---117 Maxim AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
565 - Maxim AAMG
---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
812 - SU-75g (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG)
---137 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
009 - M3L
092 - M3A1 Scout Car
126 - M3A1 Scout Car
313 - M3L
528 - M3L
---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
810 - SU-75e (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG or create MG)
---139 7.62mm DT AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexess, change from AAMG to MG except for units 192, 441, 673, 674)
002 - BT-7 M1937
101 - BT-7M
127 - T-44/100 (Should mount wpn 141 12.7 DShK AAMG)
166 - KV-8s
181 - BT-7 M19357
192 - DT AAMG [1] (Picture is ground Mount)
337 - T-26 M19387
338 - T-26-1 M19397
360 - T-26-1 M19397
441 - DT AAMG [3] (Picture is ground Mount)
535 - Valentine III S (Remove)
555 - BT-7M7
673 - BK1124 Boat (Leave as AAMG)
674 - BK1125 Boat (Leave as AAMG)
845 - BT-7M7
---140 50 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except unit 093)
018 - M4A2 (76)
019 - M4A2
092 - M3A1 Scout Car
093 - DUKW (Can have ring mount leave as AA or remove)
126 - M3A1 Scout Car
300 - M4A2 (Late)
475 - M10 3 in
541 - M4A2
542 - M4A2
---141 12.7 DShK AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes)
027 - IS-3
036 - ISU-122
038 - ISU-152
043 - M5 Halftrack
073 - ISU-152
091 - ISU-122
191 - DShK AAMG [1]
193 - SU-85 (Remove, this vehicle did not have a AAMG)
194 - SU-85 (Remove, this vehicle did not have a AAMG)
195 - SU-100 (Remove, this vehicle did not have a AAMG)
234 - ISU-122s
304 - ISU-122s
429 - G-5
430 - G-5a
431 - G-5b
432 - G-5c
440 - DShK AAMG [3]
488 - IS-4
547 - IS-2 1944
590 - Gaz DShK AAMG (Change to MG)
648 - SU-101*exp*
649 - SU-102*exp*
652 - SU-85M (Remove, this vehicle did not have a AAMG)
746 - ISU-152
---142 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount)
090 - ZSU-M15
---145 12.7(3) DShK AA (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount)
133 - GAZ-DShK AAMG-3
---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
314 - Valentine IX (Remove)
344 - Boys Carrier (Change from AAMG to MG)
467 - Bren Carrier (Change from AAMG to MG)
---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount)
089 - ZSU-M17

spob12 USA
---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 251, 253, 257, 318)
001 - Combat Car M1
002 - Light Tank M2A4
003 - Light Tank M3
004 - Light Tank M5A1
027 - M20 Scout (Remove, Still has the 50 cal AAMG didnt have 2 AAMGs)
029 - LVT 4 (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.)
033 - M3-MG Halftrack
034 - Scout Jeep
067 - 60mm Mor H/T (Apparently this vehicle did not exist)
078 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
100 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
101 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
102 - M4 81mm MMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
109 - Light Tank M5A1
114 - M3 75mm GMC (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
115 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
133 - M3 Scout Car
199 - T30 75mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
201 - T30 75mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
240 - Light Tank M3A1
241 - Light Tank M3A3
251 - LCA (Leave as AAMG)
253 - LCP(R) (Leave as AAMG)
257 - 30 Cal AAMG (Keep as AAMG)
311 - M3A1 Flame
318 - LVT(A) 1 (Leave as AAMG)
344 - T30 75mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
365 - GPA Amphib Jeep (This vehicle is unarmed)
367 - Jeep
368 - Bantam BRC
369 - Bantam Scout (pictures show this unarmed, 2 MGs is probably too much one or none would be better)
371 - Chevy Car
378 - M3 Scout Car
383 - T1E2 (This had twin 50s (wpn 143 50 cal (2) AAMG) not 3 30s and no rear or side armour, it also as far as I can see saw no service.)
552 - LVT 1
553 - LVT 1
554 - LVT 2
555 - LVT(A) 2
---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units 019, 021, 027, 028, poss 031, 032, 033, 081, 170, 191, 227, 228, 250, 255, 345, 381, 385, 386)
005 - Light Tank M24
007 - M4A1
008 - M4A3
009 - M4A3 (76)
010 - M4A3E2
011 - M4 E4-5 Flame
012 - M4 Dozer
013 - M4 Duplex Drive
014 - M4 Flail
015 - M26 Pershing
016 - M10 76mm
017 - M18 GMC Hellcat
018 - M36 GMC Jackson
019 - M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
020 - M10 3 in
021 - M7 105mm HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
022 - M4A3E2 (76)
026 - M19 Duster (Remove, Cant find any evidence for this vehicle having an AAMG)
027 - M20 Scout (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
028 - M8 Greyhound (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
029 - LVT 4 (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.)
030 - M29 Weasel (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed)
031 - DUKW (Keep as AAMG, can have a ring mount)
032 - M3-Halftrack (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
033 - M3-MG Halftrack (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
052 - T1E3 MineRoller
066 - M29C Weasel (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed)
081 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG)
103 - M4A1
106 - M26 Pershing
119 - M4A3 (76) HVSS
128 - M4A1 (Late)
133 - M3 Scout Car
135 - M4A3 (76)
142 - M4 AOP
170 - 2&1/2 w/AAMG (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
187 - M4A3E2
188 - M4A3 (105)
189 - M4A3 (76)
190 - M4A3 (76)
191 - M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
203 - M30 Carrier
204 - M36 GMC Jackson
205 - M18 GMC Hellcat
206 - M4A3 (Late)
227 - 50 Cal AAMG (Keep as AAMG)
228 - 50 Cal AAMG (Keep as AAMG)
250 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG)
255 - LCA (Leave as AAMG)
300 - M4A3
301 - M4A3
302 - M4
303 - M4
304 - M4 (Late)
305 - M4 (Late)
306 - M4A1 (76)
307 - M4A1 (76)
308 - M4A3 (76)
309 - M4A3 (76) HVSS
310 - M4A2
312 - M42B3
313 - M45
314 - M4 E4-5 Flame
315 - M4 Crocodile
316 - M4A3 (105)
345 - M7 105mm HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
348 - Armoured Jeep
366 - T25E1 Scout Car
369 - Bantam Scout (pictures show this unarmed, 2 MGs is probably too much one or none would be better)
377 - AA Jeep
378 - M3 Scout Car
381 - M4 HS Tractor (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
385 - M39 (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
386 - M39 (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
446 - M3 Ammo Carrier
552 - LVT 1 (AC)
553 - LVT 1 (AC)
554 - LVT 2
555 - LVT(A) 2
720 - LVT(A) 4
---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount)
025 - M16 MGMC
118 - Quad 50 Cal AA
140 - Maxson AA Jeep

spob13 USMC
---133 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated twin AA mount)
014 - M15 MGMC
250 - PT Boat
251 - PT Boat
376 - AAMG Truck (This is actually 2 single AAMGs side by side in the front of a truck)
---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 028, 080)
001 - M2A4
002 - M3
003 - M5A1
016 - LVT 2
017 - LVT 2(A)
017 - LVT 2(A)
019 - LVT 4 (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.)
021 - LVT(A) 1
028 - 30 Cal AAMG (Leave as AAMG)
080 - LCP(R) (Leave as AAMG)
097 - M5A1
098 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
100 - M3A1 Flame
104 - White Scout Car
108 - M3
111 - LVT 1
113 - LVT 3
114 - LVT(A) 4b (Remove one 30 cal AAMG two seems to be a post ww2 configuration)
116 - 207 - LVT(A) 5 (Remove one 30 cal AAMG two seems to be a post ww2 configuration)
265 - M2A4
266 - M3A1
288 - LVT 2(A)
299 - LVT 1 (AC)
300 - LVT 1
301 - LVT 2
340 - T19 105mm HMC (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
367 - Jeep
370 - Chevy Car
372 - FO Jeep
378 - LVT 1 FO
379 - LVT(A) 2 FO
382 - LVT(A) 2 FO
423 - LVT(A) 1
---140 50 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for units poss 018, 075, 099, 112, 117, 343, 374)
004 - M4A1
005 - M4A3 (75)
006 - M4A2 (Late)
008 - POA-CWS-H5(75)
009 - M4 Flail
010 - M4A2 Dozer
011 - M29 Weasel (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed)
012 - T30 75mm GMC
016 - LVT 2
017 - LVT 2(A)
018 - DUKW (Keep as AAMG, can have a ring mount)
019 - LVT 4 (Various configurations exist, 2 50s and 2 30s is not corraborated by ww2 photos i can find, usually 1 50 and 2 30s or 2 50s.)
020 - 2 M29C Weasels (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed)
022 - LVT(A) 4
075 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG)
099 - M7 105mm HMC (Keep as AAMG, has a ring mount)
101 - M4A3 (76) HVSS
102 -
103 - M3 75mm SPM
109 - M4A3 (105)
112 - LCM (Leave as AAMG)
113 - LVT 3
117 - M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
118 - 50 Cal AAMG
200 - M4A2 (Early)
201 - 202 - 203 - M4A3 POA-CWS-H1
204 - POA-CWS-H5(105)
205 - M4 E4-5 Flame
206 - LVT 4 Flame
208 - M4 E4-5 Flame
210 - LVT(A) 4 Flame
232 - M3 Ammo Carrier
288 - LVT 2(A)
292 - M4A2 (Late)
293 - M4A2 (Late)
299 - LVT 1 (AC)
301 - LVT 2
341 - T30 75mm GMC
342 - M7 105mm HMC
343 - M8 HMC (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
366 - T25E1 Scout Car
374 - 2&1/2t w/AAMG (Keep as AAMG, ring mount)
375 - Jeep
379 - LVT(A) 2 FO
382 - LVT(A) 2 FO
---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount)
015 - M16 MGMC
377 - Maxson AA Jeep

spob14 Chinese Communists
---138 Type 24 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
018 - Type 24 AAMGs
079 - River Patrol
080 - Motor AA Boat
081 - River Boat
---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes)
029 - 30 Calibre AAMG
---148 .303 Bren AAMG (not used, safe to change range to 12 hexes)
---235 13mm(2)T93 AAMG (As this is a twin mount leave at 40 picture needs updating)
181 - 13mm Twin AAMG

spob15 Australia/New Zealand
---115 Quad Besa AAMG (Range stays at 24 this is a dedicated AA mount)
362 - Motor AS Boat
365 - Patrol Boat
---139 30 cal AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG)
003 - Honey (Remove)
004 - Stuart VI (Remove)
005 - White Scout Car
012 - Stuart Hybrid (Remove)
024 - Sherman DD (Remove)
025 - VC Firefly (Remove)
026 - Sherman IB (Remove)
043 - Sherm Hybrid IC (Remove)
050 - Staghound
052 - Halftrack
058 - Buffalo IV
111 - Staghound AOP
113 - Jeep AOP
116 - Jeep
117 - VC Firefly (Remove)
131 - M21 SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
135 - M21 SPM (This should have a 50 cal, not 30 cal, though the mount does accept either gun.)
160 - Lynx (most photos show this vehicle unarmed)
161 - Lynx AOP (most photos show this vehicle unarmed)
332 - White Scout AOP
341 - M3A1 Stuart (Remove)
342 - M3A3 Recce (not a ring mount)
---140 50 cal M2 AAMG (safe to change range to 20 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 046, 053, poss 057, 100)
015 - M4A3 (105) (Remove)
040 - Sherman Crab (Remove)
044 - M10 17 pdr
046 - Priest (Keep as AAMG, has a ring mount)
053 - 50cal Halftrack (Keep as AAMG, has a ring mount)
056 - 2 M29C Weasels (There is one picture of this with a 50 cal but maybe every other one was unarmed)
057 - DUKW (Keep as AAMG, can have a ring mount)
100 - LCVP (Leave as AAMG)
155 - M10 3 in
---141 50 cal (2) AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount)
158 - M15A1
---148 .303 Bren AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except for units 242, 265, 360, 363, 364)
032 - Valentine IX (Remove)
047 - Sexton (These are not on an AA type mount, change to wpn. 142 .303 Bren MG)
115 - Ford Dingo (AA shouldbe replaced with wpn 152 .303in Bren BMG, its mounted in the front panel)
149 - Ford Dingo (AA shouldbe replaced with wpn 152 .303in Bren BMG, its mounted in the front panel)
242 - LCA (Leave as AAMG)
265 - Inf AAMG (Leave as AAMG)
289 - Rover LAC (Remove vickers BMG, this vehicle had a loose BREN wich could be mounted on a pintle, Vickers MG is probably a rare field conversion)
290 - Humber Scout
291 - Daimler Dingo (Usually unarmed there is one picture with a BREN pushed through the front visor, Remove or replace with wpn 207.303 Bren BMG)
297 - M-H II MG (As this is a one man turret maybe AAMG can be removed leaving the CMG)
298 - M-H II ATR
299 - M-H II 2pdr (Game Photo shows no AA MG, and nowhere to mount one, also turret side and rear values should be 0 not 1)
360 - Merchant Marine (Leave as AAMG)
363 - Motor Launch (Leave as AAMG)
364 - Harbour Defence (Leave as AAMG)
---215 50cal Quad AAMG (Range stays at 40 this is a dedicated AA mount)
159 - M16

spob16 Germany
---132 7.92 MG42 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except unit 984)
033 - Sturmpanzer IV (Remove, Rarely mounted, should be MG34 a second loose MG34 is carried)
034 - Sturmtiger (Remove not fitted)
040 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
041 - StuG IV (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
050 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
051 - Flammpanzer 38 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 MG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
056 - Jagdtiger (Remove rarely if ever fitted, should be MG34)
057 - PzH 18 Wespe (Should be MG34 loose, rarely mounted)
058 - PzH 18m Hummel (Should be MG34 loose, rarely mounted)
072 - SdKfz 234/1 (replace with 7.92mm MG42 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable)
158 - SdKfz 251/1 Rak
159 - SdKfz 250/7 GrW
160 - SdKfz 250/8 (Dual CMG/AAMG mount)
164 - SdKfz 251/9
167 - SdKfz 251/16 Fl
202 - SdKfz 251/1 Rak
282 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
283 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
310 - SdKfz 250/8 (Dual CMG/AAMG mount)
379 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
380 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
381 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
383 - SdKfz 250/9 (replace with 7.92mm MG42 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable)
393 - SdKfz 251/9
403 - StuG III Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 MG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
429 - StuG M43 853(i) (Remove, possibly a field mounting where a photograph exists, photo is italian MG)
568 - SdKfz 251/1
569 - SdKfz 251/10
722 - Sturmpanzer IV (Remove, Rarely mounted, should be MG34 a second loose MG34 is carried)
825 - SdKfz 251/9
826 - SdKfz 251/9
827 - SdKfz 251/10
853 - SdKfz 250/1
854 - SdKfz 250/1
857 - SdKfz 250/12
860 - SdKfz 250/9 (replace with 7.92mm MG42 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable)
950 - Aufklarer 38t (replace with 7.92mm MG42 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable)
984 - PzKw Panther G (Has ring mount)
996 - JPz38(t) Hetzer (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 005 7.92mm MG34 BMG or wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
---138 7.92 MG34 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG, except unit 067, 600, 831)
036 - StuH 42 Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
038 - StuG III Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
039 - StuG III F/8 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
043 - LaS 762
044 - Marder II (Sf)
045 - Marder I 37L (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
046 - Marder III H (remove, should have wpn 126 7.92mm MG37 BMG instead)
047 - Marder III M (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
049 - Nashorn
067 - SdKfz 221
068 - SdKfz 222 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable)
069 - SdKfz 223 (Fu)
074 - SdKfz 234/3
075 - SdKfz 234/4
076 - SdKfz 250/1
077 - SdKfz 251/1
135 - Minenraum IV H (remove, Auf C used wich has no cupola ring to mount AAMG)
157 - Panzerwerfer 42
161 - SdKfz 250/10
162 - SdKfz 250/9 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable)
163 - SdKfz 251/2 GrW
165 - SdKfz 251/10
166 - SdKfz 250/11
170 - SdKfz 251/22
194 - SdKfz 251/10
200 - Sfl.Sturer Emil (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
218 - SdKfz 251/1 PzB
311 - SdKfz 250/1
385 - Marder III M (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
386 - Marder II (Sf)
390 - SdKfz 222 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable)
391 - SdKfz 222 (replace with 7.92mm MG34 CMG or keep as AAMG with range 12 as 20mm is AA capable)
540 - SdKfz 250/12
544 - SdKfz 250/6
559 - StuG III C / D (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
575 - SdKfz 251/2 GrW
580 - StuH 42 Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
581 - StuH 42 Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
582 - StuH 42 Ausf.G (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
600 - MG34 AAMG (Leave as AAMG)
710 - StuG III Flamm (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
831 - SdKfz 221 (Leave as AAMG)
832 - SdKfz 251/1 PzB
844 - SdKfz 222 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 MG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
852 - StuG III F/8 (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
861 - SdKfz 250/10
862 - SdKfz 250/7 GrW
863 - SdKfz 250/8 (Dual CMG/AAMG mount)
864 - SdKfz 250/8 (Dual CMG/AAMG mount)
873 - StuG III Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
874 - StuH 42 Ausf.F (not an AA gun mount change to wpn 176 7.92mm TMG34 TMG or wpn 006 7.92mm MG34 BMG) (wpn 176 7.92mm MG34 TMG can safely have its range changed from 24 to 12)
960 - Marder I 37L (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
961 - Marder I 39H (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
962 - Marder I 39H (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
963 - LaS 762
964 - Marder II (Sf)
965 - Marder III M (remove, in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
967 - Marder II (Sf)
970 - Marder I 37L (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
971 - Marder I 37L (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
972 - Marder I 39H (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
973 - Marder I 39H (remove in panzer tracts 7-2 not even a loose MG 34 listed)
980 - Marder III H (remove, should have wpn 126 7.92mm MG37 BMG instead)
983 - Armoured Truck
---148 7.92 MG15 AAMG (safe to change range to 12 hexes, change from AAMG to MG except for unit 594)
418 - MG15 AAMG
594 - Raumboot (Keep as AAMG)
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