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Suhiir
February 10th, 2010, 04:47 PM
General Motors M-1 prototype, 105mm gun, Deisel engine, 6 road wheels.
Chrysler M-1 prototype, 105mm gun, gas turbine engine, 7 road wheels.

"Block I, 1980"
M1 - basic Abrams, 105mm gun, based on Chrysler prototype radical new chobham armor suit giving us today's Abrams look. This is the "Block I," Large numbers built.
M1IP - improved, generally M1A1, but with 105mm in a new universal gun mount, transitional production to the Block II.

"Block II 1985"
M-1A2, 120mm smothbore gun, CITV, radical new digital electronics/communication system, US Army unable to get the bugs out. 330 or so built for Kuaiti Army. some numbers of older base model M-1s upgraded to 'A2 but never successful, withdrawn from service.
M1A1 - 120mm, new NBC system, exactly the same analog electronics as the base model M-1, sort of a M-1A-2 lite always intended to be upgraded to A-2 standards if the US Army ever got the bugs out. 1986.
M1A1(HA) - 1988, turret armor with DU inserts.
M1A1HC - post-ODS, M1A1 with M1A2 turret armor
M1A1D - proposed M1A1 with M1A2 digital electronics thus the "D."
M1A1AIM - Box stock M-1A1XX with digital add-ons to the analog electronics for ease of maintenance, other small improvements.
M1A2SEP - new armor?, looks exactly like M-1A2 but totally new electronics/software, not the same tank as M-1A2.

"Block III" Several prototypes built including:
TTS - 3 men in M-1 hull, unmanned turet w/120mm gun.
"Block III Prototype" new LV-100 engine which greatly changes the rear of the hull, new tracks, new skirts with frills to hide the roadwheel heat and radar signiture, Leopard 2 turret with new armor and 140mm gun.

Other prototypes include M-1A1 with Leo 2 Powerpack, one built and tested.

Marek_Tucan
February 11th, 2010, 09:51 AM
M1A1HA, HC, D, AIM, M1A2, SEP - is the hull armor also improved compared with M1A1?

Suhiir
February 11th, 2010, 12:22 PM
The M1IP was an upgraded M1 but not an M1A1 with a 105mm.
M1IP had increased turret armor, strengthened rear hull, new final drives, new wind sensor, improved turret ammo doors, and incorporated the new bustle racks as a production item.

The M1A1, naturally received the 120mm, had increased and different turret armor from the M1IP, new CWS controls, NBC overpressure system, All main gun ammunition separated from the crew, new improved final drives (3rd variation), a new wind sensor (3rd variation), new MRS collimator, fitted to receive NBC warning system and roof built to receive the commanders independent thermal viewer (CITV).

M1A1SA (AIM v.1/2): fully loaded: 63100 kg turret: 24400 kg hull: 38700 kg
M1A2SEP (v.1/2): fully loaded: 63100 kg turret: 24400 kg hull: 38700 kg
So it seems that this variants got similiar armor.
U.S.M.C. M1A1(HC)FEP, similiar to M1A1SA.
The M1A1HA, sometimes refered to as M1A1DU or M1A1 Heavy, were sent to ODS with DU armor.

GENERAL DYNAMICS GREEK TANK DOES NOT CONTAIN DEPLETED URANIUM (January 18, 2001) General Dynamics' offer of main battle tanks, ammunition, and the lease of US Army M1A1 tanks being reviewed by the Hellenic Ministry of National Defense does not contain any depleted uranium (DU). General Dynamics Corporation did not offer the Hellenic Ministry of National Defense any weapons containing DU, and did not use DU munitions in any of the tests. Sales of main battle tanks and ammunition to US Allies - Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait - have never contained depleted uranium. While the US Army uses depleted uranium munitions and armor, however, it has never offered it for export with its main battle tanks.

Suhiir
February 11th, 2010, 12:54 PM
The M1IP, or as now known, IPM1, did not have DU armor nor any add on armor. It did have improved armor protection v KE on its turret front as part of its design.

All M1A1AIM are about the same, some have better armor than the others. No you can't tell by looking.
All M1s & M1IPs are "light armor", all USA M1A2 (withdrawn from service) and M1A2SEP are heavy. The exception is the Egyption M1A1s and Kuaiti M1A2s, these are beleived to be light.

The M1IP has heavier and different armor than the M1, and the M1A1 improved on the armor of the MIIP, and of course the M1A1HA improved on the M1A1. From there it gets really confusing because of all the rebuilds on top of rebuilds.

Check - http://collinsj.tripod.com/protect.htm

M1
Turret: 400
Glacis 400

M1IP/M1A1
Mantle & Turret: 450
Glacis: 350-490
Lower front hull:430-470

M1A1HA
Turret: 660-680
Glacis:560-590
Lower front hull:580-630

M1A1HC/M1A1HA+/M1A2
Turret: 880-900
Glacis:560-590
Lower front hull:580-650

M1A2 SEP
Turret: 940-960
Glacis:560-590
Lower front hull:580-650

Side Note on ammo:
M829 January of 1987.
M827 was never DU, was always tungsten, never fielded with US forces.
The M829A2 was designed to offer good performance against K5, the M829A3 is designed for potential future armor threats.

thatguy96
February 11th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Fabio Prado's Armor Site (http://id3486.securedata.net/fprado/armorsite/abrams.htm) has a pretty good set of pages on all this as well.

Imp
February 11th, 2010, 07:59 PM
While the US Army uses depleted uranium munitions and armor, however, it has never offered it for export with its main battle tanks

Always thought that was the case but thanks for the confirm.

jsallison
September 12th, 2010, 09:55 PM
I was part of the last unit in USAREUR to draw original production M1's, the 2d ACR. Early production IPM1s used the same armor suite as the M1 with later production going to what became the original M1A1 armor package. Externally all the IP's came with turret bustle racks which were also retrofitted to the M1's. You have to look closely and have both IP variants side by side to see it but the later ones have the turret front panels extended forward to accommodate increased armor on the turret front. As far as I know, all M1A1 variants were fitted so as to be able to have a CITV installed later but never were, this became the defining visible characteristic of the M1A2.

JohnAbrams21
September 14th, 2010, 09:03 PM
I thought that all the was now in service was M1A1AIM for National Guard/Reserve and M1A2SEP versions for active forces, not to count the thousands of older models in storage?

kevineduguay1
September 14th, 2010, 11:20 PM
Anyone have info on when the first CROWS was installed on an M1Abrams?

Suhiir
September 15th, 2010, 03:36 PM
Probably a CROWS was "field mounted" on a "TUSK" Abrams within a week of the CROWS system arriving in theatre *grinz*.

Suhiir
March 29th, 2013, 07:52 PM
Here's the latest (as best I can tell) info on M1A1 variants
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M1 (2,374 produced between 1980-1985)
All removed from US service by 1996

M1IP (894 produced between 1984-1986)
A.K.A. IPM1
Some rebuilt as M1A2
All removed from US service by by 2008

M1A1 (2,394 produced between 1985-1993)
755 to Egypt
All US Army rebuilt as M1A1AIMv1 or M1A1AIMv2

M1A1HA (1,328 produced between 1988-1993)
A.K.A. M1A1C, M1A1DU, and M1A1 Heavy
50 US Army transferred to USMC in 1994 (later upgraded to M1A1HC-FEP)
182 US Army transferred to USMC in 1996 (later upgraded to M1A1HC-FEP)
59 US Army transferred to Australia (rebuilt to M1A1AIMv2 standards)
All US Army rebuilt as M1A1AIMv1 or M1A1AIMv2

M1A1HA+ (834 produced between 1992-1993)
A.K.A. M1A1HC (USMC designation)
221 New to USMC in 1992 (later upgraded to M1A1HC-FEP)
All US Army rebuilt as M1A1AIMv1 or M1A1AIMv2

M1A1D (95 rebuilt from M1A1 between 1999-2001)
M1A1 with M1A2 electronics
Basically an unsuccessful prototype
Superseded by the M1A1AIMv1

M1A1AIMv1 (2006-?)
Factory rebuilt M1A1
315 to Saudi Arabia (some rebuilt to M1A1AIMv2 standards)

M1A1AIMv2 (2008-?)
A.K.A. M1A1SA (Situational Awareness)
Factory rebuilt M1A1
Basically a working version of the M1A1D

M1A2 (62 produced c.a. 1992-1993)
250 to Egypt (rebuilt from M1A1)
218 to Kuwait (rebuilt from M1A1)
206 for US Army (rebuilt from M1A1)
Never really combat ready, withdrawn from service
All US Army rebuilt as M1A2SEP

M1A2SEPv1 (2001-2006)

M1A2SEPv2 (2007-?)

FASTBOAT TOUGH
March 30th, 2013, 03:00 AM
From this ref...
http://www.ausa.org/publications/armymagazine/archive/2011/9/Documents/SA_0911.pdf
"Additional supporting activities have included initiation of theTank Urban Survivability Kit program to provide
additional survivability and lethality in urban conflicts and the Common Remotely Operated Weapon Station (CROWS) II. Developed and produced by Kongsberg Defense, CROWS II has been installed on M1A2 SEP tanks delivered from the Joint Systems Manufacturing Center in Lima, Ohio, beginning in June 2010. According to Mike Cannon, senior vice president for ground combat systems at General Dynamics Land Systems, the M1A2 SEP V2 is one of three Abrams variants in the current U.S. Army inventory. “The most modern variant is the M1A2 SEP Version 2,” he explained. “There are also a few M1A2 SEP Version 1 [tanks] still in the fleet. And then there are 791 M1A1 SA [situational awareness] variants that are primarily in the National Guard and the Army Reserve.” The M1A2 SEP V1 platforms lack some of the enhanced features found in the V2 variant. When asked about any moves toward the possibility of “pure fleeting” the Army with the M1A2 SEP V2 tanks, Cannon acknowledged some service reluctance based on the costs of such a program. That reluctance has also contributed to some recent industry concern about the future of the U.S. tank industrial base."
Around 110 M1A1 SA tanks are currently being used in the Iraqi Army.

The "V1" designation was used only in the last couple of years formally when the M1A2 SEP V2 became operational with the USA
2nd HBCT as announced on 20 April 2012 (Along with the latest BRADLEY.). It was to simply to distinguish between the M1A2 SEP types. Per the first ref above both the M1A1 SA and M1A2 SEP V1 tanks will be upgraded to the M1A2 SEP V2. The M1A2 SEP V2 is likely to receive further upgrades to what might be called the
M1A2 SEP V3 possibly.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsus-armys-2nd-hbct-upgraded-vehicles/

Because of the above and others submitted is why I used the the operational start date (And game ADD.) of 1/12 for the
M1A2 SEP V2. It allowed for the following that occurred... contracts as signed between 2006-2008, funding and developmental delays, production, evaluation by both the manufacturer and USA and training driven also by the 2nd HBCT announcement. Game wise I recommended renaming only the current game used M1A2 SEP tanks to the "V1" mark to avoid adding extra units and further editing of units no longer in service.

The PITA with equipment is about a 50/50 split between here's the new toy and keeping track of all the factors that delay the "true" operational status of it. We've seen it many times here? Besides adjustments for the M1A2 SEP V2 for funding, we have Thailands OPLOT for production delays in the late reporting of the customer adding over 40 modifications or about three years ago and recently for contract violations, corruption and production delays the "tail chasing" it's caused in getting a good operational date for Swedens AMVs. The F-35, PAK/FA, ALTAY, ARJUN MKII etc. have and will in the future be no different.
But this is where I say good post Suhiir and good nig...morning again!

Finally I leave you with what is considered one of the definitive sites for the tanks it covers by many of the defense industry sites (DID etc.) out there...
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm

For those who do have a Happy Easter and everyone else a great weekend!

I almost forgot to add that the 1st HBCT has now been likewise equipped and is fully operational as well with both the improved ABRAMS and BRADLEY.

Regards,
Pat