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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">She's the best of the 50 point humanoids, as she has giant stats, starts with water magic for quickness, and can easily afford to put another couple of paths at 3 magic for combat purposes. I use her with C'Tis an awful lot.

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Blitz, your doing a very fine job on your subject. props to you, for it all makes sense.

the engineer has been brought up, but why is his resource cost 50? its hard enough to make units on this team (a team that isnt blood or death summoning).

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Er, don't you mean Evo intead of Const? They're actually Evocation-3 and -4, respectively. While interesting, about the only thing I would research early in Evocation is to get Arcane Probing. I would have to evaluate whether or not the other spells were worth it, that early in the game.

How do you use the Seithkonur, if you do get that high, though? I find it hard to imagine you're going to want to fire Nether Bolts into a melee, considering the effects should they hit your giants. OTOH, I don't see how they would be effective as a 'solo' magical attack squad. Do you use Vinemen to protect them, or something?

Honest question here. About the only time I do something like this (magical attack squads) is with Caelum.

To be perfectly honest, though, I almost prefer base Jotunheim to Utgard. Much better Bloodhunting. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

I normally find with Jotunheim that I want rather high Enchantment, for Revenants and other fun Death stuff. With Utgard's increases focus on Astral magic, I can see why taking more Evocation is desirable, but I'm rather leery of trying to bring Seithkonur into combat without some sort of mass Communion or something.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm glad he's making sense to someone. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It's the price you pay for having castles that never fall. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Golden Age Arcoscephale
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">She's the best of the 50 point humanoids, as she has giant stats, starts with water magic for quickness, and can easily afford to put another couple of paths at 3 magic for combat purposes. I use her with C'Tis an awful lot. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Heh. I guess. I generally use a Lady of Fortune for those nations that can use her and have sacred units I want to use. 4-Water/4-Nature Bless rather nice, IMO.

But yeah, she's a rather basic chassis to build from. Those 2 water gems per turn just scream to be used for clams, though. I wish I could use her with Atlantis or Rlyeh. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Healing light is pretty nice on smaller numbers of high HP giants. As for nether darts, I don't find I lose many giants to it, because of their high hps. Later in the game, SC's like ice devils are not affected much. It's particularily potent against SC Users who back those troops up with archers and mages, as the seithkona will fire into the back lines. Combined with relief, this provides excellent spell backup.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'll take your word for it; I've only seen it cast once or twice.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Okay, you're confusing me again... are you talking about Nether Darts (Evocation-7), or Nether Bolt (Evocation-4)?

Doesn't the feeblemind effect hurt normal troops at all, or is it just commanders?

And I imagine it does provide good spell backup, but I'd be seriously worried that something would take out your Seithkonur before they can start volleying. I assume you carry a SoS for that, but even so, how many rounds before you start 'firing'? Do you buff with protection spells first, or trust to no one getting to the Seithkonur?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">How about body etherial with Pythium's Theurg Acolytes? Pretty decent at the start of the game. You do pay with reduced research though.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Well you use one, then when you get the tech you use the other =)

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hurts everyone

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Latergame I usually have a SOS with me (pretender forged). I usually give the seithkona 5 skeleton guards each, with just group protection cast on the lot of em.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you want to get to Thunder Strike, sure she'll kill more people. That's Evocation-4, though, and as I said, we're talking about the first 5 turns.

Though, if you can tell me how to get to Evocation-4 by turn 5, I'm all ears. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">At the time you posted this I think it should have been clear to everyone that the Virtue's main damage dealer is S-H-O-C-K-W-A-V-E. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Although a bit of Alteration research helps too. Mainly for Mirror Image if you have air 5+, or Mistform if you haven't.