Re: Treelord use?
 

yeah the only one of slight/doubtable use is the one with 4NB . when you give him a brazen vessel he can masscrossbreed and he can cast GoR on some cool crossbreeds like ettins or with moonvine bracelet cast gift of health .

for gift of health when you don't have national nature mages and don't have Belial either he is probably the most costeffective summon because 1 of the 3 is N5 and the other 2 are N4 so they need only a moonvine bracelet while a fairyqueen / ivy king needs a treelord staff so they are more likely a bit more expensive to get up to N5.

later you can use him for GoRing your wish creatures .

normally not worth it though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Treelord use?
 

Usually to GoR or GoH you need a N4 or N5 mage, that is already required to summon the Tree Lords ...

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It still frees up the guy who made the treelord...
If you have a pretender with a lot of nature magic, Im sure he has better things to do than to GoR units...

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Well, if you cough up the extra 8 natures, you can always Transform them. When you do this (similar to Ritual of Rebirth and other life after death spells), you can then resummon them since the game doesn't think they are summoned anymore. The transformed TL still will get stuck with few slots, but at least they are mobile.

Nowhere near as useful in 99% of the situations as the Fire Kings or Air Queen, so I'd like them improved. Some thematic ideas to give to a variation of them:
a) Make them Entish, so they can walk
b) Free auto-attract Vinemen
c) Free auto-summon allies with Vine Ogres/animals/Crossbreed
d) Free Fairy trod ability
e) increase population/growth scale in occupying province

Free Fairy trod could be too much,but the forest only restriction, low leadership and only one available wouldn't be overwhelming ...probably http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: Treelord use?
 

uh you are right forgot that
at least they should be almost impossible to kill via strategic damage spells so e.g. as man perhaps saver as GoH/GoR etc. caster than the fragile crones with treelord staff etc.
but fairy queens have glamour so they can never be targeted by damage spells and are much more useful anyways.
as it is the treelord is one of the few really almost total useless summons . sad but true .

good suggestions .
expect the growth scale suggestion ( should be quite huge like +1% extra ) i think all other solutions still don't make the treelord worth being summoned as long as he has not more slots .

Re: Treelord use?
 

Just wanted to point out that if he would raise the growth scale in a particular dominion up to +3 (which would be very abuseable) it would actually give a maximum bonus of 1.8%.
Since (iirc) each scale equals 0.3% population growth, and considering you can start at -3 for -0.9% growth and end at +3 for +0.9% growth its actually up to 1.8%.
Nothing in this post besides math =P